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[DeathKnightX]

I've always wondered about that myself, I mean, the Faerie Quest message is like the size of half the screen.

[Petrolino]

Is it not working for anyone or it's it just me? It's freezing at "Visiting Shop ID: #"

[Rainie]

Is it not working for anyone or it's it just me? It's freezing at "Visiting Shop ID: #"

Earlier when I was using the program it'd have random moments when it slowed down while visiting shops (and then randomly go back to normal), although it's been fine for me the past hour now (unless I just jinxed it) o: ~

[totallytoasted]

are the est. profits supposed to be this far off? I'm buying items I can't even sell, and have to lower the prices like crazy.
Should I just be looking into buying the advanced membership here?

[Waser Lave]

are the est. profits supposed to be this far off? I'm buying items I can't even sell, and have to lower the prices like crazy.
Should I just be looking into buying the advanced membership here?

They're estimates, not the very lowest price which an item sells for.

[Rainie]

are the est. profits supposed to be this far off? I'm buying items I can't even sell, and have to lower the prices like crazy.
Should I just be looking into buying the advanced membership here?

The estimated profit is determined by the item's price in the item database which gets updated fairly often, but prices of buyables just tend fluctuate
To try to avoid that you could raise your profit though

&I'm probably biased since I have Advanced membership, but here are some advantages that it gives:

• Abrosia:
• Custom wait and delay times
• Pick what shop you visit
• Purchase items from the Attic

Neopoint Generator

• Make 96k NP instead of 35k NP

<li>Auto Adopter

• Search for Draiks or Krawks
• Search for more then 3 pets at a time

<li>Neon AP

• Move items from Shop to Trading post
• Move items from Shop to Auction House

<li>Item Database

• Use the Restock List creator feature to create your own custom restock lists

<li>Cellblock

• Use a more advanced AI

<li>Forum

• Vote in other advanced members
• Get a new user title
  {*}Access to the Mystery Picture as soon as it comes out, instead of the day before the next one.

Quoted from the FAQ
(So mainly for Abrosia, you'll be able to use unrestricted settings)

[totallytoasted]

Thanks Rainie, You seem to be really helpful to me on this site. haa. Oh well next paycheck I'll look into the membership.

[Sneakily]

Is the buy time the total time it took to purchase the item? Like if I bought Adv and changed my waits and such would the buy time lower?

[Rainie]

Is the buy time the total time it took to purchase the item? Like if I bought Adv and changed my waits and such would the buy time lower?

Yes to the first question
&The buy time is the sum of the Pre-Haggle and OCR Page Delay (along with any delay caused by where you live), so if you lowered the settings the buy time would be lower
(So yes to the second question as well cx)

[TheOneB]

It will,as long as you don't abuse the start/stop button.

WTH are you talking about? Are you the start/stop button police?

I PAID for the advanced features BECAUSE I wanted to be able to choose the shops.

THAT being said...in regards to the posters problem they posted about, I conveyed that I had the same problem and WHAT I DID to surpass that problem.

If I have say...4 shops singled out to only buy from...staying in each for 30 minutes; when it switches from one shop to the next one and it so happens to be empty (coin for example)...it will only stay there about a minute and then go ahead and switch to a new shop.


Do you have a different Abrosia that has other features and options on it that causes it to act differently than everyone elses? OR was the point of your post merely to haze me and bring up a subject that is 2 weeks old?

[Crispin]

Out of curiosity, why does Abrosia wait the general wait delay in addition to 5 seconds after a buy? It causes you to miss items.

[Rainie]

Out of curiosity, why does Abrosia wait the general wait delay in addition to 5 seconds after a buy? It causes you to miss items.

o3o It takes in both of the times~? Huh, I never noticed that

The 5 second wait after a buy is mandatory though since neopets doesn't allow you to buy more than one item every 5 seconds (it'll give you some sort of error when you try to buy another item and 5 seconds hasn't passed yet)

[Crispin]

The 5 second wait after a buy is mandatory though since neopets doesn't allow you to buy more than one item every 5 seconds (it'll give you some sort of error when you try to buy another item and 5 seconds hasn't passed yet)

Yes, I know that. To specify, I'm asking why it's waiting the general wait delay as well rather than going right back to buying.

UPDATE: This does not seem to happen to me when using manual lists.

Edited by Crispin, 06 February 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[Irradium]

Just out of curiousity, what is all of your:times set to.

General Wait Delay
MS PreHaggle
OCR Oage Delay
Attic Page Delay

It won't matter: we all have different net speeds which affect our buy times. For example, mine is at the bottom of this post. You can use someone else's as a model, but it will need fine-tuning.
Seeing as you posted anyway:
2.7 - 4.2
0.5 - 0.8
0.3 - 0.7
0.9 - 1.7

[Oaken]

2.7 - 4.2
0.5 - 0.8
0.3 - 0.7
0.9 - 1.7

I don't seem to get many items from Abrosia these days but when I do it says I bought the item in around 1800ms to 2200ms. This would be considered safe right? Based on the times you posted, arent you potentially going to buy items in 800ms to 1500ms .

[Irradium]

I don't seem to get many items from Abrosia these days but when I do it says I bought the item in around 1800ms to 2200ms. This would be considered safe right? Based on the times you posted, arent you potentially going to buy items in 800ms to 1500ms .

Yes, you can call these 'safe' times. I do buy items a bit slower, in about ~1500ms, due to my ISP sucking donkey balls.

[Rainie]

Q: What are safe settings for Abrosia.
A: This is one of the biggest mistakes that all noobs make when using Abrosia for the first time. Never use anyone else's times. Everyone has different internet speeds, and different distances to the Neopets servers. For instance, someone on the east cost with a 0.4 second haggle delay might buy things from shops in 1000ms, while someone on the west coast will buy it in 1800ms. Using someone else's times will result in different buy speeds, and usually result in you being frozen. The best way to know what settings are safe is to simply use the default settings. They were tested for months to ensure that they balances profit and security. If you want to adjust them, try buying items in the Tiki Tak and work your buy times to be between 1500 and 1800ms, which is usually close to how fast humans can buy. The slower your buy time, the less chance you have of being frozen.

So to summarize, as Russ mentioned, along with the Prehaggle + OCR Delay, your internet speeds and where you live affects your resulting buy times as well, so asking for other users' settings won't benefit you because it'll most likely give you a different result unless you have the exact same internet speed and live in the exact same area as the user who provided you with their settings.

I don't seem to get many items from Abrosia these days but when I do it says I bought the item in around 1800ms to 2200ms. This would be considered safe right?

That should be fine (although, there will still be a possibility of being frozen of course), the FAQ defines safe times as 1500ms and above (since that's close to how fast legitimate restockers would buy at) ^__^~

[TheOneB]

wouldn't General Wait Delay of less than 5 seconds cause you to get RS banned more often?

That seems pretty fast.

[Rainie]

wouldn't General Wait Delay of less than 5 seconds cause you to get RS banned more often?

That seems pretty fast.

It would, although it'll depend on your luck as well since restock bans are completely random (I've gotten RS banned after ABing for 10 minutes before cx)

Edit for grammar (because I always notice mistakes right after I post x3~)

Edited by Rainie, 07 February 2012 - 01:49 PM.

[Rainie]

Yes, I know that. To specify, I'm asking why it's waiting the general wait delay as well rather than going right back to buying.

UPDATE: This does not seem to happen to me when using manual lists.

This is late, but I didn't notice/bother to check until now cx
I can say that right after the 5 second wait Abrosia just goes back to buying items for me ~

Edit: Well, as long as there are other items that matches my profit margin at least-- if there aren't then it'll go back to refreshing

Edited by Rainie, 08 February 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[TheOneB]

After the 5 second wait, Abrosia waits again using the General Wait Delay...then OCR's the page, haggles and buys.

Rinse and repeat.

So even if there were 2 items to be bought, I am looking at 10-13 seconds after the first item is bought; before it starts to buy the next one (which by then means its usually gone)

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Also, lets say there are 3 items of varying profits available.

example: Item A....2 qty....5000 profit
Item B...1 Qty....2000 profit
Item C...2 qty...1000 profit

Instead of Abrosia buying BOTH Item A's and then moving to the Item B.....it buys Item A, Item B, Item C and then back to Item A etc...

In my opinion this is not a very human like behavior and could elicit some freezes.


If I use manual lists...does it do the same thing?

[Rainie]

Well for me, after the 5 second wait Abrosia will just go and buy the other item(s) that restocked as long as they match my profit margin ~

&By the same thing, do you mean buy Item A then Item B, etc. ?
I'd assume so (although keep in mind that manual lists buy items in the order that they're listed in), but then again, I've never tried/noticed it before so I can't be positive

[rockhacker]

wanted to know if it's dangerous re-stocking in the attic
in relation to the main shops

logically with the originals settings of the program

What are the chances of generating freezing?

[Irradium]

wanted to know if it's dangerous re-stocking in the attic
in relation to the main shops

logically with the originals settings of the program

What are the chances of generating freezing?

Unless you set ridiculous wait times, like 0.2-0.4 - almost none.