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[Sweeney]

The smell. Good lord, the smell.

Well obviously he didn't smell -that- bad xD
Even housed people can stink...

[luvsmyncis]

Well obviously he didn't smell -that- bad xD
Even housed people can stink...

Oh that's true. I must admit I'd rather work with a hobo that smells like sweat and liquor than a solitary old woman who is tinted yellow from head to toe from chain smoking and is followed around by a Pepe Le Pew-like visible ammonia stench of cat piss.

[Bone]

Oh that's true. I must admit I'd rather work with a hobo that smells like sweat and liquor than a solitary old woman who is tinted yellow from head to toe from chain smoking and is followed around by a Pepe Le Pew-like visible ammonia stench of cat piss.

Don't talk about onlyme like that!

[Yung]

Oh that's true. I must admit I'd rather work with a hobo that smells like sweat and liquor than a solitary old woman who is tinted yellow from head to toe from chain smoking and is followed around by a Pepe Le Pew-like visible ammonia stench of cat piss.

Skeevy Stoners smell horrid as well. I can't tell you how many times I go home for the holidays and find myself disgusted at the smell of my own family when I give them hugs. I like the way weed smells but when you stay so stoned that you can't bathe or brush your teeth at least once a week you have a real problem.

[Sweeney]

*gently prods "Debate Forum" title*

[NapisaurusRex]

Skeevy Stoners smell horrid as well. I can't tell you how many times I go home for the holidays and find myself disgusted at the smell of my own family when I give them hugs. I like the way weed smells but when you stay so stoned that you can't bathe or brush your teeth at least once a week you have a real problem.

There are a lot of different addicts that live in houses that don't smell good.

Actually, after this conversation, I really feel like I need a shower.

[MsRose]

In my opinion, a "lie" is a work of fiction.
So, with that definition of a lie, no I wouldn't even consider putting that on an application.

However,
There is a certain amount of dressing up truths that I don't consider immoral; for me or anyone else. When an author is describing something, they use adjectives that fit what they want you to conceive. As long as the original base of the story isn't lost, then I see no problem with it. You're simply being persuasive.

Edited by MsRose, 11 February 2012 - 10:14 AM.

[Yung]

My Professor replied with the following:

Hi Jesse, DeVry did not provide the exact sources here. However, I have seen many such reports with varying percentages. If you Google the topic, many news articles, survey results, etc., will pop up. Here's one from a well-known company that has been benchmarking false resume/application data for quite a few years:

http://www.riskadvis...elease 2009.pdf

[XenoCyde]

Alot of people bullshit to a certain extent in a job interview, i know i did to get my job. An employer may be after something that 'you' whoever 'you' is cannot offer them, however if 'you' always try your best and work hard the employer will see this and act accordingly.

Going into an interview for a certain role ofcourse you are going to stretch the truth, the only downside is if you push to hard you may accidently become overqualified.

However there is a difference between going for a jobrole in quantum physics saying you know how to realign X with Y and not knowing the difference between A and B is a totally different story, here you arent able to operate off your own back and initative because your being thrown into something which you know absolutely nothing about, and thats a surefire way of getting yourself back to searching for a job pretty quickly.

Everyone, research has demonstrated that as many as two-thirds of all job candidates lie on their job applications. Others engage in deception during the interview with an employer. Beyond the ethical problems of lying to others, what happens when you are asked to follow up on the information you lied about, once you are in the job? How far, if at all, might you be willing to stretch the truth to get a job? How might you react if you hired someone and later found out that the individual misled you in the interview?

But to answer the question, if i was an employer i would be looking for someone who is motived, hardworking, organized and polite. This wont be the same for other employers, some employers look for people who are ruthless and get the job done without hesitation or questions.

If someone came to me and said they are an extremely hard working individual who will always find ways of making time for jobs which seem less important than jobs of a higher priority, yet having someone keep an eye on said employee for a week does nothing but sit around eating and drinking, theyd be out on their ass. But if the same person tried their best, had a good attitude towards learning, was honest and said 'Look i dont understand how this works can you show me so i can get a better grip on it please' and worked hard then they would be appraised.

[Yung]

One of my classmates gave a rather compelling opinion that helps to explain why many in the U.S. are lying on their applications.

I've always been a quick learner, so if it's something that I could lie about and pick really quick without anyone figuring out, I would take that risks. With the economy the way it is, it's hard to find a job and people take desperate measures to get one. Being in the employers shoes and finding out the an employee has lied on application or interview would fire me up more than likely. If it turns out to be something that costs my business where they can't learn a part of the job because they lied about knowing how to do it, then it would really fire me up, cause I just wasted money hiring them and will now have to hire someone else.

It was a simple point that he made, due to the current economic state in the United States people can be desperate to get a job and are willing to go as far as lying to obtain one.

[ch33psh33p]

Sweeney, Bone, and Yung in the same thread?

Oh god I just came.

[Nymh]

How might you react if you hired someone and later found out that the individual misled you in the interview?

I tl:dr'd this thread, I may come back and read it later (sorry)

But in answer to this question - I would fire them. Done it before, would do it again.

Alright I read it

I would still fire them. I want a real person working for me - if you can speak knowledgeably to me about our field, and not just tell be about "how much you know" it's pretty obvious that you know what you're talking about. I am sure many of you can relate to talking to someone about your particular field and they feign knowledge, then get completely lost when you ask them questions in jargon that they should be able to understand if they knew what the hell they were talking about.

As for the homeless person - just tell me if you have difficult circumstances. As your employer I deserve to know these things. If you don't have a home or a car, then it may be difficult or impossible for you to come to work depending on your shelter and transportation issues. The truth will have to come out eventually, may as well be on the front end. If you are impressive and genuine enough I would probably hire you anyway and help you find a more permanent living arrangement.

Edited by nymh, 13 February 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[Rainie]

Well I work part-time at a cafe and I didn't lie at the interview .. but in response to your questions anyways;

Beyond the ethical problems of lying to others, what happens when you are asked to follow up on the information you lied about, once you are in the job?

One lie leads to multiple ones following it

How far, if at all, might you be willing to stretch the truth to get a job?

Meh.. maybe if it's something not too important/unrelated to the job like.. lying about the answer to "Do you like drawing?" asked by somebody who hates artists.. idunno cx

How might you react if you hired someone and later found out that the individual misled you in the interview?

In a hypothetical situation I would most likely fire them (since questions asked at interviews mainly pertain to things that will affect the job)

[Yung]

As for the homeless person - just tell me if you have difficult circumstances. As your employer I deserve to know these things. If you don't have a home or a car, then it may be difficult or impossible for you to come to work depending on your shelter and transportation issues. The truth will have to come out eventually, may as well be on the front end. If you are impressive and genuine enough I would probably hire you anyway and help you find a more permanent living arrangement.

I've not addressed the homeless aspect of our conversation as of yet.

Personally I can see why someone who is homeless would not want to admit that they are for pride and the fact that it could, as you stated Nymh, make it impossible or difficult for them to come to work. They need the job so that they are no longer in that position of being homeless and as such admitting to it could prevent them from getting the help they need with the job in the first place.

I have been homeless before I simply didn't put down an address I worked and got my first check and then moved in to a place and updated my address. So if the circumstances were similar to mine I can see the logic in putting down a temporary fake address and then working to get into an actual place.

[NapisaurusRex]

I would still fire them.

I'm changing my stance. There are things I would fire people for lying about. But in general, I would still just give a warning/put on probation. Sometimes people genuinely make mistakes. It is circumstantial for me.

As for the homeless person - just tell me if you have difficult circumstances. As your employer I deserve to know these things. If you don't have a home or a car, then it may be difficult or impossible for you to come to work depending on your shelter and transportation issues. The truth will have to come out eventually, may as well be on the front end. If you are impressive and genuine enough I would probably hire you anyway and help you find a more permanent living arrangement.

I can understand not having a car-- people have to get to work somehow. But I don't understand why anyone needs to know if an employee is homeless or not. If they are qualified and can hold to the dress code, then I don't think it matters where they live.

On a side note: when I lived in my car, I gave the last physical address that I had for my address. When I was asked why it was so far away, I just said that I wasn't established in the area yet. I can see how there would be some places that kind of response wouldn't go over well though.

[Kcorj2244]

It's just a part of life. Trust comes and goes with everyone. I believe that it is something that can be earned again, even after being damaged.

Its completely norrmal. No one tells the truth all the time.

For example I was running a race and a dragon came at me. The running a race part is true, but I simply stretched it.

[namida]

Others engage in deception during the interview with an employer. Beyond the ethical problems of lying to others, what happens when you are asked to follow up on the information you lied about, once you are in the job?

why the curiosity?

also I don't lie in job interviews...I exaggerate my abilities because everyone does it and I want a job very badly so it's counterproductive to be completely honest

so to answer your question I'd have to ask when does an exaggeration become a lie?

[Sweeney]

so to answer your question I'd have to ask when does an exaggeration become a lie?

Every exaggeration is a lie. The clue is that it isn't true.

[Randi]

Tough one because depending on the truth which your stretching on, you could just end up getting yourself fired afterwards and damaging your reputation.. I *would* be willing to stretch the truth in my current job though to have some movement in the company.. The role I currently play kills me.