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[xWa]

Trading post, I am ready to enter.  Please make this week pass.

 

I am curious to see what all is within the trading post... waiting a week sucks.  Think if you pay for advanced, it should bypass the week wait.. afterall you're paying for 4 weeks of usage.  Was under the impression when I got advanced, I'd unlock it.

 

[Waser Lave]

I am curious to see what all is within the trading post... waiting a week sucks.  Think if you pay for advanced, it should bypass the week wait.. afterall you're paying for 4 weeks of usage.

It helps to deter scammers. Giving them the option to buy their way in early would kind of defeat the purpose...

[LegitRSer]

It'll Come. Waiting Was Brutal For Me Too xD I Checked Hourly

[xWa]

It helps to deter scammers. Giving them the option to buy their way in early would kind of defeat the purpose...

Scammers typically don't want to pay $5 or w/e it is prior to scamming.  Most forums for trade actually allow you to buy some sort of status for $5-10 which helps show that you're 'legit' moreso than others due to having spent money.  Someone who's spent $5 for advanced is a lot less likely to scam than someone who made an account then left it idle for a week and comes back to trade or even trolled or just posted in general for a week.

 

Edit: I'm new to neopets, but I have been in the game of buying/selling digital goods for over 15 years. 

Edited by xWa, 08 July 2013 - 03:20 PM.

[Strategist]

No idea why people assume they get access to the tp with advanced, it isn't mentioned anywhere when you purchase it. Unless you were misinformed by someone else.

[tom12]

Tell you a trick I did !! I live in Canada so I switched my time zone to Tokyo japan.. so I got into the TP a day earlier !!

Edited by tom12, 08 July 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[Syntax]

Scammers typically don't want to pay $5 or w/e it is prior to scamming.  Most forums for trade actually allow you to buy some sort of status for $5-10 which helps show that you're 'legit' moreso than others due to having spent money.  Someone who's spent $5 for advanced is a lot less likely to scam than someone who made an account then left it idle for a week and comes back to trade or even trolled or just posted in general for a week.

 

Edit: I'm new to neopets, but I have been in the game of buying/selling digital goods for over 15 years. 

 

Requirements to access the TP is 10 non-spam posts and a week old account. Advanced is just for access to Abrosia's advanced settings. They're not related at all.

[xWa]

No idea why people assume they get access to the tp with advanced, it isn't mentioned anywhere when you purchase it. Unless you were misinformed by someone else.

I read a lot of posts prior to ever posting here to figure some things out... I believe one of the posts I read suggested something of the like.  Though, I read too many things to be worthwhile to go back and find it with it not really being of any help.

Requirements to access the TP is 10 non-spam posts and a week old account. Advanced is just for access to Abrosia's advanced settings. They're not related at all.

I know this, but I'm saying that someone who spends money for something is far less likely to scam than someone who simply has a week old account.  If I was interested in scamming, I'd have no issues waiting 7 days and I'd have hundreds of accounts made on unique ips just biding out the time and then come back a couple months to a year later and strike multiple times.  I'm not the kind of person to scam though, shit's too easy to get on your own and I'm too honest of a person these days to do such.  Kicked my mischevious behavious over a decade ago.  Just feel like I'm wasting a week of my time I spent paid for being that I don't have the full resources that I'd have otherwise (ie not being able to get to shell accounts and other resources that might be in there)

 

 

 

Also curious if anyone offers proxy services in there as it seems this would be a decent place to offer such, or if it's against the rules here to offer such a service?  If no to all of the above, I may consider leasing out some of my proxies.

[Waser Lave]

Scammers typically don't want to pay $5 or w/e it is prior to scamming.

You'd be surprised what people are willing to do when there's money to be made. Anyway, the system works for us so it won't be changing.
 

If I was interested in scamming, I'd have no issues waiting 7 days and I'd have hundreds of accounts made on unique ips just biding out the time and then come back a couple months to a year later and strike multiple times.

We have systems in place. Just because nobody sees them don't assume that they aren't there.

[Tubbz]

You'd be surprised what people are willing to do when there's money to be made. Anyway, the system works for us so it won't be changing.

Signs up.

Spends $5 makes $500 because of early access to TP.

Gets banned.

New IP. 

Repeat.

 

That's why the $5 doesn't bypass it. 

[Yung]

Tell you a trick I did !! I live in Canada so I switched my time zone to Tokyo japan.. so I got into the TP a day earlier !!

 

Isn't this using a method to bypass Trading Post restrictions? Which if memory serves me right is a warnable offense?

[Strategist]

Isn't this using a method to bypass Trading Post restrictions? Which if memory serves me right is a warnable offense?

Yep, but since he's had access for a while now anyway, what's the point? He'd probably have a cry about getting a warn for it now.

 

Note to everyone else, if you try this, you will receive a warn and trading access revoked.

[xWa]

You'd be surprised what people are willing to do when there's money to be made. Anyway, the system works for us so it won't be changing.
 

We have systems in place. Just because nobody sees them don't assume that they aren't there.

I myself am a programmer, I've had my own programs out there and forums and the like.  There is no way that one week of time for an account age is more secure than $5 being spent.  Just saying.

 

Signs up.

Spends $5 makes $500 because of early access to TP.

Gets banned.

New IP. 

Repeat.

 

That's why the $5 doesn't bypass it. 

See the above.

[Tubbz]

I myself am a programmer, I've had my own programs out there and forums and the like.  There is no way that one week of time for an account age is more secure than $5 being spent.  Just saying.

 

Guess it doesn't matter anyway. As Waser said, there's a system in place and it won't be changing any time soon

[xWa]

Guess it doesn't matter anyway. As Waser said, there's a system in place and it won't be changing any time soon

I know, just saying.  A week really doesn't deter a scammer.  Maybe the less skilled scammers... but they wouldn't be the ones causing much harm.  Someone who's planning to do a large scam would not mind waiting a week to have access.

 

 

Edit: And don't think I'm talking about it due to hoping it'll be changed before my week is up so that I get into the section early.. I am stating it because it's true.  I've run my own trading forums much larger than this one, moderated others much larger than this one, amongst other things... if it's held true there with a much larger pool of users for a long time, it surely would hold true here. 

Edited by xWa, 09 July 2013 - 04:19 AM.

[Yung]

We've all done bigger and greater things elsewhere. Toss a newb in a forum and expect different results yields none.

We're here... On Codex. It doesn't matter what you've done or what you do elsewhere. What matters is the way the system works here and your ability to comply with our rules and standards.

[Romy]

 I've run my own trading forums much larger than this one, moderated others much larger than this one, amongst other things...

Shameless self promotion!

[xWa]

We've all done bigger and greater things elsewhere. Toss a newb in a forum and expect different results yields none.

We're here... On Codex. It doesn't matter what you've done or what you do elsewhere. What matters is the way the system works here and your ability to comply with our rules and standards.

Eh, I wasn't trying to brag, I'm saying that what would detour people on larger forums would hold true on a smaller forum.  The only reason it may seem it doesn't is the smaller base of members in which case it doesn't happen in general as much.  I'm just giving my opinion about the situation, but people keep talking about it so I'm replying.  If people wouldn't continue to reply and tell me I'm wrong for my thinking, then I wouldn't respond anymore about it and it'd be dropped. 

Shameless self promotion!

Promoting myself for?  Lol.  I have nothing to promote myself for here.  I'm just here to use the program and interact with the userbase. 

 

 

 

My only point I tried to make was that paying $5 is more of a deterrent of scamming than waiting a weeks time.  A week is literally no time at all.  Not trying to argue about this over and over, just stated it and then it kept going back and forth. 

Edited by xWa, 09 July 2013 - 02:06 PM.

[Romy]

I have nothing to promote myself for here.  

Damn straight.

[Yung]

Word of advice. Replying back to a topic is only going to incite additional responses. How you handle both yourself and criticism will determine if that's positive or negative responses.

[ceterisparibus]

Well to be fair he just wants to get his point across, although not in a particularly nice way.

 

xWa, there's no 'best' way to go around dealing with it, since both methods are flawed in their own ways. Policing of the trading post is still key to alleviate the problem, since you're actually actively looking out for them. So don't worry too much about it

[Nalah]

We're here... On Codex. It doesn't matter what you've done or what you do elsewhere. 

 

Unless you do something bad, then it usually comes back to haunt you

[zandra]

I myself am a programmer, I've had my own programs out there and forums and the like.  There is no way that one week of time for an account age is more secure than $5 being spent.  Just saying.

 

See the above.

 

The amount the people scam is upwards of $5. The trading post restriction of 1 week and 10 non-spam-able posts creates alot of hassle for scammers, especially when they are posting for the sake of posting. The 1 week also creates a delay before the scammer is able to scam again. Hiding IP? we have Waser, who is pretty good at catching them.

 

Anyways TBH, people would take precaution when trading with a new account, so think of it as a helping hand.

[Yung]

Anyways TBH, people would take precaution when trading with a new account, so think of it as a helping hand.

 

Which is why it is strongly encouraged to use Official Neocodex Middlemen.

[xWa]

The amount the people scam is upwards of $5. The trading post restriction of 1 week and 10 non-spam-able posts creates alot of hassle for scammers, especially when they are posting for the sake of posting. The 1 week also creates a delay before the scammer is able to scam again. Hiding IP? we have Waser, who is pretty good at catching them.

 

Anyways TBH, people would take precaution when trading with a new account, so think of it as a helping hand.

I know the amount people would scam would be more than $5.  But, having bought and sold digital goods for over a decade and a half, I'd put my trust into someone who spent $5 for the forum status rather than someone who was a week old with 10 posts and I don't know of anyone from the other places I trade at that would differ in this view.  My only mention of other places was to say that I'm not a newb to the digital goods scene, was not to boast about my prior accomplishments.

 

My point was actually not to say that a delay would be bad, but to say that a week delay is really null in value.  If a delay is there, it should be at least a month and much more posts than 10.  It was to say that when comparing the two factors I mentioned, $5 is really much more of a deterrent compared to 1 week and 10 posts.

 

Which is why it is strongly encouraged to use Official Neocodex Middlemen.

I typically use middlemen in the first few trades in new places.  Unfortunately, not able to view the trade area, so cannot see what middlemen are available here.