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[Coops]

I think the generalization that people, namely Millennials, are offended by 'everything' is trash. Disagreement doesn't equal offense. These generalizations are always aimed at folks who take social issues seriously and I feel it's just another way to minimize the legitimacy of voices against oppression, and continue the denial of humanity for specific marginalized groups.

Also, I hate the implication that everyone has to 'do' something about it, that if they talk about an issue but don't have the power to make change then they are just whiny and complaining. Not everyone has the luxury of social, financial and political security to go out and fight oppression. If that were true, oppression of minorities would be eliminated. Yes, let's leverage guilt because some of the most vulnerable humans in our society don't have the power or ability to make change want to 'complain'. The right to be angry about social injustices isn't earned. Hold on, let me just roll my eyes off the planet. 

[Rocket]

I think it's funny how some people assume switching to a "vegetarian" diet will instantly make them lose weight, like it's the best thing ever.

Being a vege doesn't automatically make you super healthy. I know vegetarians who are fat and not healthy at all.

[Elindoril]

I don't get how someone can be incredibly obese and not seem too care about it. Like taking-two-bus-seats obese. You're paying more for those oversized clothes. You look like you have trouble just standing. How can you think "I'm okay with this"?

[cara]

I think it's funny how some people assume switching to a "vegetarian" diet will instantly make them lose weight, like it's the best thing ever.

Being a vege doesn't automatically make you super healthy. I know vegetarians who are fat and not healthy at all.

 

People think the same of going gluten free and are constantly asking me that. And I will never understand their logic.

 

Edit: Other than the idiots people who dry hump the widely criticized and debunked book Wheat Belly. Not that I can really dislike all the obnoxious hipsters who have gone gluten free and have shaken their fists at enough places that they have now made gluten free food a lot more accessible. /angryrant

[cara]

Not many of these opinions are actually unpopular...

That's your opinion.

[Romy]

Also, I hate the implication that everyone has to 'do' something about it, that if they talk about an issue but don't have the power to make change then they are just whiny and complaining. Not everyone has the luxury of social, financial and political security to go out and fight oppression. If that were true, oppression of minorities would be eliminated. Yes, let's leverage guilt because some of the most vulnerable humans in our society don't have the power or ability to make change want to 'complain'. The right to be angry about social injustices isn't earned. Hold on, let me just roll my eyes off the planet. 

This thinking is exactly why nothing ever changes. You can't be bothered by the status quo but do nothing to upset it.

Americans don't have to speak with their wallet, they can speak with their vote. Can't vote? Talk to people at your workplace and home. Can't do that? Post about it on the internet and get people talking about it.

The HUGE number of people that came out and voted for Obama in 2008/2012 and Sanders in 2016 PROVES that, with enough of a push, any small movement can bring about lasting change.

 

Anyone that says otherwise doesn't care enough to even try.

 

If you're talking about places like Syria then your point is valid.

 

 

I don't get how someone can be incredibly obese and not seem too care about it. Like taking-two-bus-seats obese. You're paying more for those oversized clothes. You look like you have trouble just standing. How can you think "I'm okay with this"?

I've actually wondered this too. It makes me really sad to see really chubby people just resigned to being that weight.

That's your opinion.

This is way to meta for me.

[cara]

This is way to meta for me.

Good. Just as I planned.

[Ali]

Not many of these opinions are actually unpopular...

It makes me uncomfortable agreeing with you but agreed, the majority of these are just opinions. I thought unpopular opinions would be controversial things you wouldn't want to openly admit to...

[Ubermensch]

It makes me uncomfortable agreeing with you but agreed, the majority of these are just opinions. I thought unpopular opinions would be controversial things you wouldn't want to openly admit to...

Let's kick things off then.

I believe in eugenics, and that only genetically viable people should reproduce. History of diabetes, heart/brain issues will result in a mandatory vasectomy/hysterectomy.

Mandatory check ups at a state hospital, any form of disability or disease and the feteus is aborted.

Saves the state billions, society progresses, the gene pool wins.

[Drakonid]

I like this thread now.

[Padme]

Let's kick things off then.

I believe in eugenics, and that only genetically viable people should reproduce. History of diabetes, heart/brain issues will result in a mandatory vasectomy/hysterectomy.

Mandatory check ups at a state hospital, any form of disability or disease and the feteus is aborted.

Saves the state billions, society progresses, the gene pool wins.

 

What a modest proposal.

[NapisaurusRex]

Let's kick things off then.

I believe in eugenics, and that only genetically viable people should reproduce. History of diabetes, heart/brain issues will result in a mandatory vasectomy/hysterectomy.

Mandatory check ups at a state hospital, any form of disability or disease and the feteus is aborted.

Saves the state billions, society progresses, the gene pool wins.

But diabetes is curable and preventable? I think you're being a little unfair. Let's just kill accidental paraplegics while we're at it, so the clumsiness gene doesn't get spread.

[cara]

I didn't reverse the genophage in mass effect. 

[Swar]

Here's an actual unpopular opinion, at least around this corner of the web.

Abortions. Don't believe in them. Didn't 3 years ago when I first attempted to "debate" about it (heh), still don't. 

Totally agree, it's just a lie told by the government to control us.

[Coops]

I think some people here at Codex may only have the reading comprehension of a 10 year old.

[NapisaurusRex]

I'm still giggling at the thought of someone with a jewish username promoting eugenics

 

Heil Ford! Woodhull for president! ELIMINATE THE TACO STANDS!

[Turnip]

Get yourselves ready for some rambling!!

90% of western films/tv shows/video games/whatever don't seem interesting at all. Trust me, I really want to get into this stuff so I'll actually have something to talk about with regular people, it just feels as if there's something in my mind which is blocking out my interest sensors. Maybe it's because throughout most of my life I wasn't able to access most shows or films or whatever, so I naturally stray away from things that I'm not already invested in? But I seriously don't give a shit about most of it. I'm sure, I don't know, Doctor Who is a good show and I'll watch it if I'm at someone's house, but it doesn't seem interesting enough for me to actually obtain the episodes in some way and watch them. Stranger Things and Overwatch look like the newest big meme things around now I guess? But I look at them and think "wow I don't really care". Game of Thrones? Whatever. Call of Duty? Whatever. Assassin's Creed? Supernatural? Gravity Falls? That Hamilton play? Five Nights at Freddy's? I'm sure they're mediocre at worst but I don't care enough to try them out.
Like I'm up for watching those superhero movies coming out. They're fun, it's something to do with my friends and I'll know what they're talking about. But I'm not really feeling any sorta emotional attachment to those films, you know?

I don't follow western music so I can't even give you names of albums I don't care about. Whenever I hear EDM tracks on the radio they all follow a very similar sorta pattern and you know? That doesn't really encourage me to try listening to any of it. So many artists have mediocre to shitty vocals and throw them on top of fantastically composed songs, yet off-vocal songs aren't usually made available, right? It's a damn shame. There's a track by Modest Mouse called The World At Large and the instrumental parts sound neat, but damn I don't care about those vocals. This just keeps happening with other tracks I find too and it's so disappointing.

On an unrelated note, Let's Plays are fucking stupid. How anyone can be interested in LP "culture" is beyond me. "Hey guys it's-" shut the fuck up!! I'm here to look at some video game footage, not be your buddy. There's nearly always commentary on regular video game videos too so every single time I want to check something, I go and mute the video as fast as I can. I'm sure there are a bunch of those people out and around who are genuinely funny but I just don't care enough to watch any of it.

[NapisaurusRex]

Not Type 1, which is mostly genetic. Type 2 is preventable and treatable, which is what you are referring to.

Actually, I'm not and that's false, it's no more genetic than any other disease caused by parental risk factors. Get your popularly opined ass out of this thread.

[Coops]

I love when people try to justify eugenics with nonsense. 

[Kaddict]

Just coming in to say a few things. I might add some opinions later. 

1. Isn't Ubermensch German, not Hebrew? Still funny though, german superhuman with eugenics

 

2. Type 2 diabetes has a stronger genetic component than type 1. (it isn't mendelian inheritance, but type 2 is a very strong genetic component).

 

Continue.

Ok, here is one people were talking about today. This isn't my opinion, but it is very interesting and really unpopular (at least where I am from), and it makes logical sense to me: We shouldn't spend as many health care dollars on people over the age of 80 and babies born <24ish weeks (really premature). We can spend millions on these people, and often for an exceptionally short increase in life expectancy. This may be one of the many reasons healthcare in the USA is much more expensive than elsewhere.

Here's an actual unpopular opinion, at least around this corner of the web.

Abortions. Don't believe in them. Didn't 3 years ago when I first attempted to "debate" about it (heh), still don't. 

Bravo. I agree, this is maybe the first real unpopular opinion (around here) of the thread.

[NapisaurusRex]

Just coming in to say a few things. I might add some opinions later. 

1. Isn't Ubermensch German, not Hebrew? Still funny though, german superhuman with eugenics
 
2. Type 2 diabetes has a stronger genetic component than type 1. (it isn't mendelian inheritance, but type 2 is a very strong genetic component).
 
Continue.

Ok, here is one people were talking about today. This isn't my opinion, but it is very interesting and really unpopular (at least where I am from), and it makes logical sense to me: We shouldn't spend as many health care dollars on people over the age of 80 and babies born <24ish weeks (really premature). We can spend millions on these people, and often for an exceptionally short increase in life expectancy. This may be one of the many reasons healthcare in the USA is much more expensive than elsewhere.

Bravo. I agree, this is maybe the first real unpopular opinion (around here) of the thread.

mensch is Yiddish. uber is brospeak.
 
 

Oh baby time for some biology!
 
Type 1:

Spoiler

 
Or, in simpler terms:

 
Type 2:

Spoiler

 
Type 1 is usually caused by an autoimmune attack or an inherent lack of the pancreas's beta cells ability to produce insulin. The first is a combination of genetic factors and environmental factors, and the second is genetic. You can't cure Type 1 (yet). 
 
Type 2 is usually caused by the pancreas conditioned to produce more and more insulin due to diet, which causes insulin resistance. There are genetic risk factors (a few genes cause a predisposition for the pancreas to produce excess insulin, some other genes make the person susceptible to obesity, which can cause Type 2), but it is often accompanied by environmental factors, namely a sedentary lifestyle. You can treat Type 2, and wean the body off excess insulin through exercise and diet. There is often a correlation between parents with Type 2 and their children also having it, though the fact that sedentary parents tend to raise sedentary children is a major factor.

OK...

While you are more susceptible to having an autoimmune disorder if you have a first degree relative that also has one, the latest studies are showing that they're activated by gene expression, and just like there are factors that turn them on (ie discovering you have an AI disease after a traumatic event), there are also factors that turn them off. Epigenetics is suggesting that there's a lot of things that are caused by stress (physical or emotional) or malnutrition from previous generations. No, there are people who have "cured" their type 1 diabetes, just like there are people who have cured scads of other "uncurable" AI disorders. Just because "science" says it's incurable, it doesn't mean it's impossible, it just means there isn't enough passion or money (usually money) to prove it. In diabetes specifically though, they're starting studies in rats (despite my personal belief they need to just skip to real people and save a few years,) and it's strongly suggesting that both types of diabetes and some diabetic damage can be reversed and cured through a ketogenic diet, which backs up a 1960s study done on sub-industrialized cultures that states the body will adjust its insulin level to the diet it is given provided that the body is in a healthy state, which, "healthy" in western civilization has changed dramatically over the last 50 years and not that many people are interested in raising people to an appropriate level of health when it's so much easier to lower health to match the people.

 

In people with a genetic predisposition, the risk of disease can depend on multiple factors in addition to an identified genetic change. These include other genetic factors (sometimes called modifiers) as well as lifestyle and environmental factors.

Ok, here is one people were talking about today. This isn't my opinion, but it is very interesting and really unpopular (at least where I am from), and it makes logical sense to me: We shouldn't spend as many health care dollars on people over the age of 80 and babies born <24ish weeks (really premature). We can spend millions on these people, and often for an exceptionally short increase in life expectancy. This may be one of the many reasons healthcare in the USA is much more expensive than elsewhere.

It is ridiculous. I read an article saying that if I had my babies right now, the average cost of nicu from now til they'd get out would be about 70k. (about how much I've made in my entire life, tbh.) And that would just be a few months in NICU, if they even lived, with a 100% chance of them being disabled for life that would have to be paid for.

[NapisaurusRex]

I have heard about the rat study, which sounds promising. I don't mean to say that diabetes 1 will never be able to be cured, just that there isn't a solid method to do so right now considering the scientific knowledge of the disease. Do you have a source for people who have been cured of diabetes 1?

So, in other words, in most cases of diabetes type 1, you need to have the genes AND the environmental factors that would activate said gene expression to trigger an autoimmune attack. While in type 2, it can be caused without any direct genetic factors due to a sedentary lifestyle and diet. Can't see why we can't both be right.

I'm not able to disclose because the ones I've heard of were first hand accounts in fb groups that don't allow talking about other peoples' conditions. I did find this thru Google.
http://www.ijcaserep...h-full-text.php

And we are 100% sure there's no genes related to type 2 at all, despite the fact it has obvious racial preferences?

[Kaddict]

I'm not able to disclose because the ones I've heard of were first hand accounts in fb groups that don't allow talking about other peoples' conditions. I did find this thru Google.
http://www.ijcaserep...h-full-text.php

And we are 100% sure there's no genes related to type 2 at all, despite the fact it has obvious racial preferences?

Having just taken my medical boards, I will tell you right now, type 2 is more related to genetics than type 1 is. It is counter-intuitive, but it is true. I will find sources later. 

 

Also, I meant to really quote ortin, not jess, but whatever. It is what it is.

[NapisaurusRex]

@ortin ehhh I'm not buying it. Without some other input, every sedentary overweight person would have type 2, but they don't, which shows there's something else in play. The lifestyle would be the thing that turns the genetic risk on.
http://www.ijcaserep...h-full-text.php

@Kaddict I know, I just don't have all the science knowledge to back myself up

[Kaddict]

@ortin ehhh I'm not buying it. Without some other input, every sedentary overweight person would have type 2, but they don't, which shows there's something else in play. The lifestyle would be the thing that turns the genetic risk on.
http://www.ijcaserep...h-full-text.php

@Kaddict I know, I just don't have all the science knowledge to back myself up

I know, I meant to quote ortin. My bad.