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[Kyle]

So my friend and I like to have pointless arguments a lot of times, and heres our current one: He is trying to tell me that Pot is a less harmful and addicting drug than alcohol as well as caffeine. He is basing most of his argument on this site. Can anyone prove him wrong? Sources would be wonderful.

[dolphinbomb]

*waits for Cody to see this topic*

[Vivacity]

It's probably less than alcohol, because it's illegal, but it's not less than caffeine for sure. I can give you a specific example: My friends.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Eventually got caught, ignored it and continued.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore and started doing other things such as Cocaine and Heroin.
Shipped off to boarding school, and the other following the same path was put under house arrest.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Got caught twice, continued after both times.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore, started snorting cocaine.
Was caught again shoplifting high, and had pot on him, juvy then expelled.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore, started doing heroin, and acid.
Died of a massive stroke at age 16.

And they say it'll never happen, yet I've lost many of my friends.

Edited by Vivacity, 30 January 2007 - 07:30 PM.

[Jewbert]

I recently (about two weeks ago) started drinking this "morning spark" stuff that has about as much caffeine as two cups of coffee. I usually drink about one a day but today I did not have any. I have been struggling to stay awake all day && I think it's because lack of that caffeine stuff. It makes your body depend on it....

[Tetiel]

It's probably less than alcohol, because it's illegal, but it's not less than caffeine for sure. I can give you a specific example: My friends.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Eventually got caught, ignored it and continued.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore and started doing other things such as Cocaine and Heroin.
Shipped off to boarding school, and the other following the same path was put under house arrest.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Got caught twice, continued after both times.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore, started snorting cocaine.
Was caught again shoplifting high, and had pot on him, juvy then expelled.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore, started doing heroin, and acid.
Died of a massive stroke at age 16.

And they say it'll never happen, yet I've lost many of my friends.

Oh jesus christ....

I am so sorry... holy mother of god... I can't believe... so young... *jaw drops*

[Vivacity]

Oh jesus christ....

I am so sorry... holy mother of god... I can't believe... so young... *jaw drops*

Yeah it really came to a shock, and I guess seeing him just a couple days before it happened so happy and stuff really got to me. His mom died, that's why he started doing drugs, and he had found comfort and stuff with skating eventually, and was just starting to try and get off the stuff, I guess it was gonna be his last time and he was gonna regress down the drug ladder. You really think that it'll never happen to you, but that's never the case. It's not if it will happen, it's when it will happen. I don't really mind marajuana use, but if my friends start mentioning other stuff, I really try to keep them from trying it.

[Justin]

It's probably less than alcohol, because it's illegal, but it's not less than caffeine for sure. I can give you a specific example: My friends.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Eventually got caught, ignored it and continued.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore and started doing other things such as Cocaine and Heroin.
Shipped off to boarding school, and the other following the same path was put under house arrest.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Got caught twice, continued after both times.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore, started snorting cocaine.
Was caught again shoplifting high, and had pot on him, juvy then expelled.

Started smoking pot occassionally, progressed to daily.
Couldn't get a buzz anymore, started doing heroin, and acid.
Died of a massive stroke at age 16.

And they say it'll never happen, yet I've lost many of my friends.

These are extreme cases which rarely ever happen..

Pot is less harmful and addicting for sure. I am way way too tired to find some sites and explain blah blah, just wait for Cody to reply. But tell me how many people you know that are actually addicted to pot. I know NONE and I hang out with lots of people who smoke. Ugh I can't even think.. huge migraine FTL. Like I said, just wait for Cody to explain, then re-read his post, because he uses too much goddamn scientific words, then you'll be like "LOL OH OK"

[jillian]

Those stories remind me of the movie Reefer Madness. haha. And also you go insane if you smoke pot. And you shoot people!! 9_9 Really rare cases like that don't even come back to pot usage! First off, the first kid was put under house arrest for hard drugs, not pot, being caught with which obviously didn't phase him; that's his own fault. And the shoplifting kid was shoplifting cause he's an asshole, not cause he was high. He only got in trouble because pot's illegal, not because it's bad for you. As for the last kid, Acid and heroin causes strokes, not pot.

Yeah, it's impossible to get addicted to pot chemically. I have friends who smoke pot multiple times a day sometimes, then just stop for a few days or weeks in a row and have no issues. They also don't develop a very high tolerance that I've noticed - maybe it's just because we consistently buy good shit. Also, since pot is so readily accepted here in Grinnell, it doesn't make people feel hardcore and illegal when they do it. therefore, hard drugs are rarely if ever seen on campus. I've seen one person snort vicatin once or twice but aside from that I only ever see cigs, alcohol, and pot on campus. During winter break one of the biggest pot-smokers I know tried shrooms (only kid I know to go so far despite rampant 'gateway drug' use) and hated them, hated the trip and lack of control, so no issues with harder drugs there.

Though ounce per ounce, pot is worse for you than cigarettes, no one smokes fourteen bowls or blunts in a day. If anything you share one or two a day with a few friends - at the height of use that I know of - compared to one or two packs a day I've heard smokers take. The same is true for alcohol, which can really fuck your liver up. No one's ever died of a pot overdose. Also, as I've said, it's impossible to get chemically addicted to THC, as opposed to nicotine or alcohol.

Caffiene on the other hand, I hate. I'm actually addicted to my one or two sodas a day and will ache and get a headache without that fix. My mom gets terrible kidney infections whenever she goes more than two days without soda. Caffiene, while not necessarily bad for your body, will fuck you up if you get addicted then stop having it.

[bjquick]

i disagree with all the ppls that thing that pot is ok ... its there life choice to do it if they want but pot can send u crazy because it awakes the psychological diseases that were dormant. ppls can live life times without even know that they have psychological diseases but by taking drugs it unleashes the psychological disease. also by smoking pot u can get all the cancers. and even if u dont get addicted u become less social , harder to play sports and u just forget stuff u would usually remember.

i suggest not to take pot but if u do it its your life choice.

[Justin]

i disagree with all the ppls that thing that pot is ok ... its there life choice to do it if they want but pot can send u crazy because it awakes the psychological diseases that were dormant. ppls can live life times without even know that they have psychological diseases but by taking drugs it unleashes the psychological disease. also by smoking pot u can get all the cancers. and even if u dont get addicted u become less social , harder to play sports and u just forget stuff u would usually remember.

i suggest not to take pot but if u do it its your life choice.

Source?

[Waser Lave]

also by smoking pot u can get all the cancers.

Marijuana gives you every single cancer possible eh? OMG i got toe cancer by smoking pot!

http://www.washingto...ml?nav=hcmodule

Oh wait, nevermind...

pot can send u crazy because it awakes the psychological diseases that were dormant. ppls can live life times without even know that they have psychological diseases but by taking drugs it unleashes the psychological disease.

http://psychologytod.../marijuana.html

Long-term Effects of Marijuana

While all of the long-term effects of marijuana use are not yet known, there are studies showing serious health concerns. For example, one study examined the health status of 450 daily non-tobacco marijuana smokers. They found that the marijuana smokers had more sick days and more doctor visits for respiratory problems and other types of illness than did a similar group who did not smoke either substance.

Findings show that the regular use of marijuana may play a role in cancer and problems in the respiratory and immune systems.

They mention nothing about psychological diseases caused by marijuana in the long term and if anybody would mention that, i'm guessing it would be a website called psychologytoday.com...

In regards to the respiratory problems, what else would you expect if you set fire to something and breathe in the smoke? You'd get respiratory problems from smoking broccoli too.

even if u dont get addicted u become less social , harder to play sports.

Any proof for these?

[Frizzle]

There are links between long term mariujana use and schizophrenia.

[bjquick]

k i might of over exaggerated when i said gets all the cancers but it definetely increases the chances of cancers

Some users, especially someone new to the drug or in a strange setting, may suffer acute anxiety and have paranoid thoughts.

paranoid thoughts thats is Paranoid schizophrenia . that can be harmful because some people imagine things so hard they will kill themselves.

Young athletes could find their performance is off; timing, movements and coordination are all affected by THC.

[Sweeney]

You'd get respiratory problems from smoking broccoli too.

Sounds like a giggle... anyone want to do some broccoli?

[Redblade]

Sounds like a giggle... anyone want to do some broccoli?

I would love to, if you teach me how


ANyway i would not recommend taking any drugs at all. Well its better not to try it and later get addicted to it( even though theres only a very slim chance). Why take it out of curiosity or for fun when you'll gain basically nothing out of it?

But still, Cody's opinions on it would be good.

[Frizzle]

k i might of over exaggerated when i said gets all the cancers but it definetely increases the chances of cancers

paranoid thoughts thats is Paranoid schizophrenia . that can be harmful because some people imagine things so hard they will kill themselves.

Paranoid thoughts can be linked through to cannabis use, but that's only a short term effect, but can trigger people with a link of the mental illness. If you have no family history of it, the chances of developing schizophrenia or long term paranoia are slim to none.

ANyway i would not recommend taking any drugs at all. Well its better not to try it and later get addicted to it( even though theres only a very slim chance). Why take it out of curiosity or for fun when you'll gain basically nothing out of it?

There is NO chance of becoming chemically addictive to Cannabis as all the chemicals, including the main potent chemical Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is not addictive to any of the nerves or biological chemicals inside you.

Although you can technically become mentally addictive to it, a person with an addictive personality, such as alcoholisim or gambiling problems could become addicted to it, but in the same way they can become addicted towards chocolate or feeling the fluff on someone's pillow.

Cannabis does not result in cancer or respiratory problems unless you smoke it. Eating cannabis or hash has no effects on your lungs or causes mutation in cells.

Please get your facts straight before downputting the use of this drug. As of all drugs, including pharmaceutical drugs and legal drugs such as caffeine, alcohol and nicotine, sensible use is always the key to tolerance and information about the drug you are about to take for whatever reason is a key factor in being safe with them. Don't believe everything you read about cannabis as there is alot of propoganda about it, for and against the use of it. Always do your research if you plan to use ANY drug.

[113]

Actually there are quite a few studies that show THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active psychoactive substance in cannabis), could be used to help fight diseases such as Tourette syndrome (also here), Alzheimer's Disease, and various cancers.

Also, Marinol (dronabinol - synthetic THC) is used to treat anorexia.

[Nick]

lol ecstasy > everything else.

[jillian]

k i might of over exaggerated when i said gets all the cancers but it definetely increases the chances of cancers

paranoid thoughts thats is Paranoid schizophrenia . that can be harmful because some people imagine things so hard they will kill themselves.

Once again, I stress that while you do smoke cannabis and yeah smoking's bad and all, you don't smoke it nearly as often as one smokes cigarettes, so the possibility of it harming your throat and lungs is very negligible.

Plus paranoid thoughts are definitely NOT paranoid schizophrenia. Waaay off. Paranoid thoughts are like getting antsy whenever you hear a car go by because you think it's a cop coming to bust you for recreational pot use. (by the way, I've never had paranoid thoughts when high. I think only naturally nervous people do, due to combination or doing something illegal, being in an uncomfortable atmosphere, and generally being anxious ruining a high. Pot magnifies emotions.) That's not a severe psychological problem like Schizophrenia, where you have hallucinations and delusions.

good sources, people, those are interesting

[Tetiel]

There are links between long term mariujana use and schizophrenia.

Actually... my psych teacher recently mentioned this. Apparantly there is not really any truth to that. Problem is a lot of people develop schizophrenia around the age that they would start smoking pot and some use it to calm down their symptoms which is why the governments may say that this is true because there is an increased use of pot with schizophrenia, not the other way around like they'd want you to think :\ I'm sure you know this, Frizzle, but bjquick obviously doesn't.

Also remember there are several different types of schizophrenics. Not all are paranoid

[Frizzle]

lol ecstasy > everything else.

Try telling that to Leah betts.

(by the way, I've never had paranoid thoughts when high. I think only naturally nervous people do, due to combination or doing something illegal, being in an uncomfortable atmosphere, and generally being anxious ruining a high. Pot magnifies emotions.)
good sources, people, those are interesting

Lol I remember good times being paranoid on green. Good times.

Actually... my psych teacher recently mentioned this. Apparantly there is not really any truth to that. Problem is a lot of people develop schizophrenia around the age that they would start smoking pot and some use it to calm down their symptoms which is why the governments may say that this is true because there is an increased use of pot with schizophrenia, not the other way around like they'd want you to think :\ I'm sure you know this, Frizzle, but bjquick obviously doesn't.

Yea still an on going debate about wherther or not that pot can cause schizophrenia, or vica versa.

[shabba]

Marijuana gives you every single cancer possible eh? OMG i got toe cancer by smoking pot!

Funny you should say that how do you think bob marley died, although that was more because he was a rasta LOL.


Well it retrospect to alcohol and caffeine its not actually physically addictive which both caffeine and alcohol are. Although it is mentally addictive which cant really be measured the same way it is physically, because its like estimating how much someone likes chocolate. They say they love it but do they really? ?Yeah see the point im trying to make. Being mentally addictive to something is alot harder to overcome than phyiscal addictions in some ways because the effects of not having it doesnt result in pain or discomfort its literally your brain telling you you need it, but your body couldn't care less.

[Charmender]

Try telling that to Leah betts.

She died of drinking too much water, not because of the E use

[Frizzle]

And your point being? Ecstasy made her dehydrated, making her consume so much water it killed her.

[Charmender]

She shouldnt have been too stupid to realise if you drink too much water its as harmful as not drinking enough