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#51 Christopher Robin

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE(Euphoria @ Apr 15 2007, 03:37 AM) View Post
Regardless of what defense she tries and how she does it, she is still liable for that baby's life and needs to have her own life right removed as the consequence. Insanity or none, it is -murder-, and murder should be punishable by death in almost every case.

Dumbass. If someone killed a guys sister, and he went off and killed the guy, that is murder... He doesn't deserve death. And there are plenty of cases where people don't deserve the death penalty dry.gif Also, the death penalty is letting some people off easy wink.gif

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 09:29 AM

QUOTE(Pomroy / Trixx @ Apr 15 2007, 09:59 AM) View Post
Dumbass. If someone killed a guys sister, and he went off and killed the guy, that is murder... He doesn't deserve death. And there are plenty of cases where people don't deserve the death penalty dry.gif Also, the death penalty is letting some people off easy wink.gif

Pomroy, what really matters is how it happens. Vigilantism is not really allowed here in America.

If someone killed the guys sister, and the guy sees the person committing the crime and kills him right there the legal repercussions would be much less than if he found out who the killer was, planned a murder, and then committed it. Reminds me of A Time to Kill by John Grisham. Its a great read.

Edited by Hawk, 15 April 2007 - 09:29 AM.


#53 Christopher Robin

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE(Hawk @ Apr 15 2007, 01:59 PM) View Post
Pomroy, what really matters is how it happens. Vigilantism is not really allowed here in America.

If someone killed the guys sister, and the guy sees the person committing the crime and kills him right there the legal repercussions would be much less than if he found out who the killer was, planned a murder, and then committed it. Reminds me of A Time to Kill by John Grisham. Its a great read.

Bah... The guy has it coming, the way I see it.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 01:23 PM

Wow this is so horrible. 135 times in a baby is just disgusting. This reminds me of a story in my town two years ago about when a high school freshman(I was in 8th grade at the time, I'm a sophmore now. He attended the high school I go to right now). The guy stabbed his mom 111 times, stole and drove his mom's car to his family cabin 2 hours north of where he lived. When the cops found him, he had shaved all his hair off. He was sentenced to 35 years in prison. Not life or death, just 35 years(although getting out of prison when you're 50 years old isn't great either). The punishment may be harsher then 35 years, but the point is the girl may not get life or death, just x amount of years in prison.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 07:48 PM

I gave my reasoning towards the death penalty several times - if a person steals, presumably they are to give the object back and repay the debt to society in a prison for several months. However, in murder, you can't give the life back, and either they rot in a jail for the rest of their lives or they're put down. I'd prefer the put down method - as it certainly sounds like American jails are full enough as is.

#56 Warlord

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 11:15 PM

135 times, freaked out much?

#57 Kitchwa

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 11:23 PM

Whats the point in stabbing a little baby that many times? blink.gif
Stab it once or twice and its dead, but 135 times... o.o



#58 elryo

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 06:40 AM

i dont think she'll b on myspace anymore. ohmy.gif

#59 pktester

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 09:02 PM

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How many years law have you done then? I'm currently in 3rd year law, and major in psychology. So please be careful before assuming 'most' people here don't know what they're talking about. I do in part agree with you, I do think she'd be eligible and could be successful in an insanity defense and if it were here she'd theoretically be found to have committed infanticide, not murder or manslaughter, and would likely be acquitted because of insanity based on the little facts described so far. However, I don't think you should be going around saying Tetiel did no research before she posted. Not to mention she's a psyc major so she does know what she's talking about. Everyone makes statistical errors. I'd advise you not to be so arrogant.

Kindly explain how she'd be convicted of voluntary manslaughter? manslaughter here is defined as "Except as provided in section 178 of this Act, culpable homicide not amounting to murder is manslaughter" section 178 is the section about Infanticide which is what this situation is centered around. Manslaughter wouldn't even be an option.




Manslaughter: Voluntary
Voluntary manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional killing in which the offender had no prior intent to kill, such as a killing that occurs in the "heat of passion." The circumstances leading to the killing must be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise, the killing may be charged as a first-degree or second-degree murder.


A good Attorney could easily turn this to be a heat of passion case, as it has happened before. The difficult part would be the whole 135 stabs situation, but we could easily say she is mentally disturbed.

Isn't New Zealand's law system COMPLETELY different than the U.S. 's system? or at least I would assume considering it was cut off from the rest of the world when systems of law formed. I would guess it is based on a code system of law? The U.S.'s system was pretty much evolved from the British System of law.
Furthermore, I felt as if her replies were very arrogant in the own, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone, my point was to be so aggressive in my reply to stats error.

I do have a question though, how in the world does a psych major now anything about the law? lol...

It just that, a lot of what was posted was more or less baised on a European assumption of U.S. Laws, which do not work by any means the same way.

The manslaughter I quoted above is baised on a fedral statue which is probably much less agressive than the state she is in.

Just because she is being tried for first degree and is put in at a million bond, really doesn't mean much though. I'm sure plea-baragins will start.

In all, didn't mean to sound rude, however I do feel as if she probably will serve a limited term in jail and be fined.

Did I say "most" people do not know about law? No, you misunderstood, I was refering to that it seems Tetiel didn't understand that much. I was not refering to everyone in full.

Once again, sorry if I seemed like an ass...Oh well.

Edited by pktester, 16 April 2007 - 09:08 PM.


#60 414de7fe6

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 11:27 PM

QUOTE(pktester @ Apr 17 2007, 05:02 AM) View Post
Furthermore, I felt as if her replies were very arrogant in the own, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone, my point was to be so aggressive in my reply to stats error.


I feel that way about a few of her posts, so don't feel you're alone in that thought.

Oh, and to my knowledge, NZ was founded for the most part, a British colony.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:38 AM

You're still seeming like an ass. Screw you. Seriously. I'm sorry, are all psych majors ignorant? I TOLD YOU WHERE I HEARD IT. Jesus christ. It's was a damn video from court tv for christ sakes.

#62 pktester

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE(Tetiel @ Apr 17 2007, 07:38 AM) View Post
You're still seeming like an ass. Screw you. Seriously. I'm sorry, are all psych majors ignorant? I TOLD YOU WHERE I HEARD IT. Jesus christ. It's was a damn video from court tv for christ sakes.



Oh wow, over-reaction. I was making the point that psych majors aren't law majors :-)

Calm down, don't get so upset...lol.

#63 pktester

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 11:07 AM

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I'd be upset too if you had of said what you did, to me.

And actually, you learn a hell of a lot about behaviour, profiling, disorders and the mind in general in psyc depending on the subjects you take. Explain how that doesn't aid in mens rea, defenses and such ...
It's why I'm taking psyc as my major in my social science degree - to aid my law degree.

And heat of passion? If that's attempted, there's no way... there's no possible argument or any form of provocation from the child.

And yeah, I never cared what would happen in the US court system, I said that almost from the start. I was taking it from an NZ perspective because there's plenty of people with US perspectives already.



If your going to be an attorney, better learn to handle my, simple and kind, "attacks". Furthermore, cases like this are commonly pulled into heat of passion cases, happens quite often in the U.S.

Furthemore, the only reason I said the things the, apparently, rude way I did was because Tetiel seemed to be attacking those who were expressing their own points of view.

Anyhow, this thread is old and should die anyhow.

It is common, under the advice of many attorneys and professor, to shy away from Psych classes and espeically a major when studying law. Proper undergrads educate you how to think as an attorney, while as Psych has a different way of thinking.

Edited by pktester, 18 April 2007 - 11:10 AM.



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