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[redlion]

Due to the fact that IQs had been gaining steadily over the past three decades, but are now at a standstill (Rodgers' addition to the Flynn Effect) should prospective parents have to meet a certain standard before having children? And if so, what sort of standard would we hold them to?

[Freddy]

Still i dont think we should hold anyone to a standard if they had the mental capability and a job and wanted to have kids. I think that is totally fine. But i would hold them to an 80 IQ just so they know what is going on.

[redlion]

Still i dont think we should hold anyone to a standard if they had the mental capability and a job and wanted to have kids. I think that is totally fine. But i would hold them to an 80 IQ just so they know what is going on.

Well, even if you held them to mental capacity, job and desire, thats a standard.

[Tetiel]

Absolutely positively not. Not all people with high IQs are successful and IQ is not guaranteed by genetics. And besides if we all had people in the world with IQs of 120 or higher than we would have severe problems. No one would be willing to do the tasks which are necessary for our society to function. Hardly any person with a high IQ would be even remotely satisfied with a mindless task. It would be just frustrating really.

An example: my uncle is one of the most intelligent people I know and while I do not know his IQ I am certain it is high. He can solve calc problems in his head and in fact he was accused numerous times of cheating on math exams as he did not show his work until a professor sat him down and watched him do the problems. Now... he sells mousepads. He scored one of the highest scores recorded at the time on the Navy aptitude test and now... he's just not doing much with his life... :\

Also many psychologists do not agree with the IQ test being used as there are many aspects of intelligence and the IQ test only really shows one or two forms.

[redlion]

Absolutely positively not. Not all people with high IQs are successful and IQ is not guaranteed by genetics. And besides if we all had people in the world with IQs of 120 or higher than we would have severe problems. No one would be willing to do the tasks which are necessary for our society to function. Hardly any person with a high IQ would be even remotely satisfied with a mindless task. It would be just frustrating really.

An example: my uncle is one of the most intelligent people I know and while I do not know his IQ I am certain it is high. He can solve calc problems in his head and in fact he was accused numerous times of cheating on math exams as he did not show his work until a professor sat him down and watched him do the problems. Now... he sells mousepads. He scored one of the highest scores recorded at the time on the Navy aptitude test and now... he's just not doing much with his life... :\

Also many psychologists do not agree with the IQ test being used as there are many aspects of intelligence and the IQ test only really shows one or two forms.

I also asked what sort of standard they should be held to. If you think that another measure is more effective than IQ, state it pl0x.

[Tetiel]

I also asked what sort of standard they should be held to. If you think that another measure is more effective than IQ, state it pl0x.

I said I don't think it should be held to a standard, silly. Therefore I don't have to state one By the way, nice debate topics <3

[redlion]

By the way, nice debate topics <3

I know, right? And I'm proud, the only one I got an idea from elsewhere was the one about the Ninth.

[Frizzle]

Hell no, everyone has the right to have children.

[Quadra]

Hell no, everyone has the right to have children.

I am rather inclined to agree with Frizzle. Examination of potential parents for suitability calls into question the right of the state to impede upon the personal choices of its citizens. It is very difficult if not impossible to predict the effect of a person's parenting style on the development of their children.

[Ives]

Thats our function: To reproduce. We're not individuals, we're bacteria, and our goal is to dry the earth up.

[Stryyp]

I was actually talking to a friend of mine about this a little ways back, and I even "wrote" an amendment to the constitution for my American Government course pertaining to this.

Being in a family that is also a foster family, we see a dark side of humanity on a regular basis. An adult being killed by another adult is sad, yes, but what these people do to children is an atrocity. Whether it is abuse or neglect in all their forms, these horrors are being committed against infants and toddlers who cannot defend themselves. One of our foster kids is three weeks old, and was taken from his mother at birth. This is her FIFTH child that was removed before she even got a chance to hold them. Peanut (Real name Maurtrice, but we like Peanut more) was born addicted to drugs and his mother missed her C-Section appointment by one week because she was stoned and wouldn't get out of bed.

Another mother of one of our kids has SEVEN, all in the custody of the state. Saul's family has now been torn apart because he has a crackhead mom, deadbeat dad, two aunts who have the means, but don't want to step up and take care of him and a grandmother who loves him to death, but is not physically able to take care of him, and she is heartbroken that her daughters will not take any responsibility.

And finally Reese, he is nine months old and his mother is already six months pregnant. She is 27 and is on her fourth kid, the oldest being 14 She also gave EIGHT names of potential fathers of Reese, and NONE of them were the father -_-

Onto my point, my "amendment" was saying that any parent(s) who have had more than two children taken by the state must pass certain examinations and inspections before they can have more children. I don't know how that'd be enforced, but I believe it should be that way

Right now there is a system that after about six months of being in the system goes by, there is a meeting with the parents that lays down a one year plan that, if followed, will get their children. Now that is to get their children BACK, but it should include bringing more life into the world during that one year period.

Edited by HydroLink64, 06 May 2007 - 11:34 AM.

[Raui]

How would you stop them being parents ?

[Charmender]

How would you stop them being parents ?

If they are stupid, make them infertile?

[Frizzle]

-long boring rant-

Scratch my last comment, if it stops Ange spawning another would be dull drone of herself, I'm all for tests



(Imagine her and Euphoria's kid, I mean, a crime against nature )

[Frizzle]

On the blob?

[Rush]

Doesn't natural selection naturally fixes the unfit ones?

[redlion]

Doesn't natural selection naturally fixes the unfit ones?

Have you been to Alabama?

[Stryyp]

Have you been to Alabama?

My doctor and I were talking about if I had had all my vaccinations or been outside of the country and been in a location where disease is rampant in the past five years. I said "Well, I've been to Alabama." It's funny because he is from 'Bama xD

Alabama is like, the most picked on state. That and California.

[redlion]

My doctor and I were talking about if I had had all my vaccinations or been outside of the country and been in a location where disease is rampant in the past five years. I said "Well, I've been to Alabama." It's funny because he is from 'Bama xD

Alabama is like, the most picked on state. That and California.

Thats because it really is a hellhole. I mean, I've been to some bad places, but alabama is just bad. There's a reason the speed limit is higher in alabama; its so you can get through the state faster on your way to somewhere you want to be.

[Ives]

IQ sucks for measuring anyways. We're all dumb, we just don't want to admit it.

[Rush]

Have you been to Alabama?

No. But as how you put I don't think I want to. Tell me more about it.

[LastI]

I dont think that there should be anything required, if you want to be a parent, you have every right to.

[phalkon]

ugh... there's too many barking retards on earth. some of them just *shouldn't* reproduce.

if they already can't care for themselves, why the hell should they bring another destitute child into existence? sure that child may come up with a cure for cancer, but what are the odds really? people today are getting lazier and lazier. chances are that if someone is born in poverty now, they won't try to hard to get out.

take a place like africa, or some other impoverished country. sure most of the problems come from their governments, or militia groups that raid the towns, and diseases run rampant, but maybe it's a sign of *over*population.

if the country can't support it's birthrate then it shouldn't try *harder* to have *more* kids... the opposite could help too.

/rant

sorry for that... but i'm venting. my wife and i talk about this all the time, especially when we see those "christian life donation network things..."

i joined the ONE organization a while ago, as awareness to end global poverty, just doing my part. you can't donate to these countries, for every $1 we donate, they might get $.02.

i kinda went on a tangent on that one, but yeah! if people drop out of rehab more than 2 twice... make 'em sterile. we don't need no crack babies. if there parent's are druglords in a gang or something, chances are, there kids will be too. make 'em sterile.

now i'm not saying just let all the smart rich people breed. then it would be like Brave New World. i'm just saying that if they're TOO destitute, impoverished, etc... the situation for reproduction should be looked at.

[phalkon]

well, i meant it like "the whole continent of africa", along with other countries. just saying that because most of africa is impoverished, compared to other continents who just have a few impoverished countries.

i mean, look at the aids pandemic that's been going on, there's so much more we could be doing about it here, there's little or no way we can help other countries if *both parents* have it and they keep reproducing, having like 6+ kids, half of them dying off before they reach teens.

then there's stupid people in europe who have aids orgies. where they'll actually go to orgies *knowing* that people there have aids so that they will get it, and have unnecessary amounts of sex, not knowing if they'll get it from some stranger. PEOPLE WANT AIDS. that's barking sick. people like *that* DEF shouldn't be having kids. hell, they shouldn't even be allowed to keep their genitals.

/digression

[phalkon]

well, we should start reversing it. giving aid to people who aren't stupid and get out of the barking stone age.