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[Hlaw]

An Iranian woman faces being stoned to death for having an affair with a married man.
Mother- of- two Mokarrameh Ebrahimi has spent the last 11 years in jail for adultery with Jafar Kiani.
Authorities in Tehran confirmed yesterday that Kiani had been executed last week. Now human rights groups fear 43-year-old Ebrahimi will suffer the same brutal fate.
A stoning pit, in which she will be buried up to her neck, has already been prepared for her.
Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen, launching an "urgent" appeal, said: "To execute anyone by stoning is barbaric and disgraceful, to execute a woman for adultery in this cruel way simply beggars belief.

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thats so barking barbaric it makes me sick, shes already been in jail for 11 years and now theyre going to stone her. the man has already been execeuted. I know im going to cop alot of flak for this, but imo Islamic law is backward and sometimes downright cruel.

[Sida]

That's not right. Whether they have a different culture or not, that's inhumane.

[Hlaw]

apparently u get an automatic death sentence under Islamic law if you "murder, rape, armed robbery, blasphemy, serious drug trafficking, repeated sodomy, adultery, prostitution, treason and espionage". i mean, they dont even give u a chance, and some of the crimes there are ridiculous reasons for death by stoning.

[Waser Lave]

The majority of the people over there must agree with the laws as they are otherwise they would come together and force change, we shouldn't be trying to tell them what they should and should not be doing. Historically there have been many instances where change has been forced because people didn't agree with what was happening, you only need to look at the American Revolution (spit).

They know and agree with the laws and if they choose to disobey them then it's their own fault and they deserve the consequences (whatever they may be).

[Magma]

Both of those people knew what they were doing when they committed adultery. As Lazer Wave said, if they wanted change they would work for change and apparently they agree with the current laws and they uphold their current beliefs. No matter how "barbaric" it is, it is their culture and their set of laws... we have no right judging them by that even though it is something of a horrible atrocity to the rest of us.

Edited by Magma, 14 July 2007 - 07:12 AM.

[powerman5000]

I agree with Magma totally. These people are able to think for themselves and knew EXACTLY what they were doing and the CONSEQUENCES of doing such. ery is a big deal.

[_xplasticstars]

What happened to the good 'ol fashion divorce. It's always some sort of violence nowdays. Sheesh.

[Hlaw]

but still, dont you agree the consequences are inhumane? its like Hitler gassing the Jews and you're saying its alright because, under Hitler's 'law', no Jew has the right to live.

[Mumei]

I agree that in this age of humanity we should not be punishing crimes in this manner, however cultural evolution happens differently in different places and only history can say what will later be culturally acceptable and what will not.

however anyone commenting from America is on shaky moral grounds as i feel it's absolutely no difference to the barbaric action of killing by electricity, or by drugs that are chosen in certain states there.

Islamic laws are not that far behind the US ones, just remember what happened at the Salem witch trials (and that was only because they "looked kinda odd")
or more currently - the imprisonment of people in guantanamo without trials or human rights (sometimes with as little proof as they must be guilty they were on holiday in Afghanistan)

[Oaken]

When are people going to join the 21st century, sheesh. I could partly understand her getting a death penalty for adultery (I don't agree with it however) as this is their way....and she probably knew the consequences if she was caught.....but to throw stones at someone until they die is pretty damn sick. There are more humane ways to do it. This is probably classed as a religous crime and that may be why it is so severly punished.

What about the guy who she slept with? Is he mentioned at any point in the articles? (sorry I'm at work and can't read them fully)

Edited by Oaken, 14 July 2007 - 08:53 AM.

[sockopen]

Is their crime rate lower than ours? I would presume so.

[Hlaw]

When are people going to join the 21st century, sheesh. I could partly understand her getting a death penalty for adultery (I don't agree with it however) as this is their way....and she probably knew the consequences if she was caught.....but to throw stones at someone until they die is pretty damn sick. There are more humane ways to do it. This is probably classed as a religous crime and that may be why it is so severly punished.

What about the guy who she slept with? Is he mentioned at any point in the articles? (sorry I'm at work and can't read them fully)

he was executed already.
seriously stoning has got to be the worst form of capital punishment. to be buried so that only your head shows, and then to have people throw rocks at your head until you die is barking sick, i cant believe it

[Nick]

We don't really have control in Iran right now, so I doubt there's much that can be done. People are killed in barbaric ways every day, and it's simply impossible to put an end to it all.

[Mumei]

he was executed already.
seriously stoning has got to be the worst form of capital punishment. to be buried so that only your head shows, and then to have people throw rocks at your head until you die is barking sick, i cant believe it

i think the point is exactly that the criminal is not supposed to enjoy it

one of the worse forms of execution i know of is to be hung, drawn and quartered
dragged along the ground to the execution point
hung by the neck until almost dead
drawn (or Disembowelled and emasculated, the genitalia and entrails burned in front of the still alive criminal)
quartered - finally cut into 4 separate pieces.

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women were 'just' burned at the stake while still alive - this is in my opinion many times more barbaric than stoned to death, as in a stoning they are usually unconscious before dying - whereas in a burning, they are often still conscious even when the skin is peeling from their body

[pyke]

Being stoned to death would be pretty shitty.

[Will]

Well I agree that death by stoning is a badly outdated punishment, this 'couple' was apparently dumb as shit. Does that mean they deserve a death like that? No. But I don't feel too bad for them. They should've thought of the consequences when they commited the crime.

[Crayon]

We don't really have control in Iran right now, so I doubt there's much that can be done. People are killed in barbaric ways every day, and it's simply impossible to put an end to it all.

US shouldn't have any control over any country.

Would you like me to have sex with your wife? And all you can do is punch me here and there, I punch you back, and we go on Jerry Springer?

Edited by Crayon, 14 July 2007 - 04:10 PM.

[Melchoire]

Something like this happened to a family member. My uncle, or great uncle(not sure which), from my Dad's side caught his wife in bed with another man and killed them both, got off scotch free. My dad told my mom and my mom told me. It is really barbaric too.

[Hlaw]

Something like this happened to a family member. My uncle, or great uncle(not sure which), from my Dad's side caught his wife in bed with another man and killed them both, got off scotch free. My dad told my mom and my mom told me. It is really barbaric too.

really? how did he go free? they didnt find out ??

[SgtBeaver]

I agree with the people who say that the punishment is acceptable because the couple committing the crime should have known the consequences before committing the crime. Also, there is no way we ( as in anyone other than the people who live in that country ) should have a say in how they punish the criminals over there. If they want to "stone" people, then that's their choice, not ours.

EDIT: By the way, if any mods come in here and happen to read my post, and actually listen (because I'm new), this should probably be moved to the General Debating Board.

Edited by SgtBeaver, 14 July 2007 - 07:41 PM.

[Chris]

this is pretty common within these middle eastern cultures

[Grizzly]

I understand that Iranian laws are strongly influenced by religion (which the Iranian government believes justifies such a harsh punishment). However, you can't tell me that its not inhumane to stone somebody to death for committing adultery and I believe that's why Amnesty is fighting for this cause. It's what we like to call a cruel and unusual punishment, no better than a burning at the stake or quartering.

And for those who are skeptical that Amnesty can have any power over this case whatsoever, feel free to browse their previous successes as I believe some to be more incredible then this.

[foogie]

that's disgusting!! was the man stoned to death? did he spend 11 years in prison?

I gotta say, after living in japan for a year, I'm really starting to get sick and tired of different cultures not acknowledging equality between the sexes.

[Frizzle]

that's disgusting!! was the man stoned to death? did he spend 11 years in prison?

I gotta say, after living in japan for a year, I'm really starting to get sick and tired of different cultures not acknowledging equality between the sexes.

The man was executed after being stoned to death.

Most people don't realise, women are acutally pretty equal in muslim/arabic cultures.

[foogie]

The man was executed after being stoned to death.

Most people don't realise, women are acutally pretty equal in muslim/arabic cultures.

HAH

only a man could say that. D:<