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[fixedysys]

Hi, you might eventually recognize me, and my lack of activity lately.

Well, I stopped playing neopets years ago, and I left this community.
However, I did - because of maplestory - join GamingGutter (no advertisment here, it's just a part of the story) on which site I got rather popular rather quickly for making php based neo programs for those people who did still play (an account generator, and an authentic fake login page). Anyway. This guy chatted me up in AIM, asking me if I wanted to join in making an NP generator. Well, and that's what we did.

I worked out some classes this morning and yesterday evening and it is now fully functional.

However, it currently only submits score to one game, and you have to change the php source to change the game, and account.
This is because it is not done. It has the ability to fake playing the flash game, and sending a fake score, but it is not done.

We lack the following thing:
A list of permanent (not sponsors who disappear a month later) flash games.

http://neopets.com/gamescores.phtml

That is a list of 168 flash games, if you multiply that by 1000 and then by 3, it will generate about 500k NP per account per day.

However, I believe that this list is not complete, and I need your help on this one:
we need a list of games that are, in fact, not included in the list above. Now this could be a game that simply lacks a highscore table, or a jelly game or whatever.

We would be glad if you could help us on this one.

What we are going to do with the finished generator has not been decided yet, but it will not be aviable to the general public (that'd be madness!)

Thanks for your help.

Also, if you need proof, then send out a mod/admin to PM me, and I will give proof.

Edited by fixedysys, 16 August 2007 - 09:14 AM.

[Waser Lave]

So you want people to help you so you can help another site?

Good luck with that.

[fixedysys]

Oh, We're not gonna publish it any less here than we are on GG.

[DudeOnline]

Oh, We're not gonna publish it any less here than we are on GG.

I'm not sure, but I think thats against the terms of Neocodex.

[fixedysys]

Hokay, how about this:

We are going to publish it here, if it will be allowed to publish it here.
Could we please get back on topic now?

[Hawk]

Also, if you need prove, then send out a mod/admin to PM me, and I will give proof.

Quick questions- What language? When did you start working on this project?

For proof I'd like you to send it (Along with the source) to Raui (A moderator) and Shadowlink64 (Admin). Both have significant roles in situations like this.

[fixedysys]

It's 100% PHP, but it does have a proxy function.

Working on the project, we started working on it a few days ago. It really didn't take long to make it.

I am not going to send out the source, I was more thinking along the lines of packet editing ones source. So basicially, they play a game lose, then I give them indostructions on how to packet edit it, and they'll get a higher score than they originally scored.

This would prove that we, in fact, have the de and encryption, which is pretty much the only part that needs proof. everything else is just visiting a few sites over PHP.

[Hawk]

It's 100% PHP, but it does have a proxy function.

Working on the project, we started working on it a few days ago. It really didn't take long to make it.

I am not going to send out the source, I was more thinking along the lines of packet editing ones source. So basicially, they play a game lose, then I give them indostructions on how to packet edit it, and they'll get a higher score than they originally scored.

This would prove that we, in fact, have the de and encryption, which is pretty much the only part that needs proof. everything else is just visiting a few sites over PHP.

Forget receiving help here. The source has to be approved of by Shadowlink, and nobody will help you because it won't end up on Codex.

Please explain to me how this works. You select a game, select a score, and thats it? Did you figure out the encryption yourself?

[Waser Lave]

Forget receiving help here. The source has to be approved of by Shadowlink, and nobody will help you because it won't end up on Codex.

Please explain to me how this works. You select a game, select a score, and thats it? Did you figure out the encryption yourself?

It's interesting how Sockopen releases the source to a score sender and in a few weeks loads of people have magically worked out the encryption themselves isn't it?

[fixedysys]

My coding partner had the complete en/decryption class done already before he asked me to join in, so no. I did not make that part.

Basicially, how it is going to work is like this:
You enter username, password, select games to score for, score level and some other stuff. It then loops thru everything, submitting fake scores on your account, making you... rich.

The demonstration, however would be hand made, that means before ShadowLink sends the score, he puts a packet editor between firefox and neopets, then gives me two variables (from the original request to neopets), and I will give him the new request.
He then replaces the old request with the new one, let's the package send, and whoop he submitted a fake score.

EDIT:

It's interesting how Sockopen releases the source to a score sender and in a few weeks loads of people have magically worked out the encryption themselves isn't it?

Well according to my partner, he just translated the encryption straight out of the decompiled actionscript. I believe him on this one, and I also didn't know about any releases sockopen made, and I'm sure he didn't either.

Edited by fixedysys, 16 August 2007 - 09:23 AM.

[Hawk]

It's interesting how Sockopen releases the source to a score sender and in a few weeks loads of people have magically worked out the encryption themselves isn't it?

You forgot to put the icing on the cake...

-Wont say any more about the subject-

[Waser Lave]

EDIT:
Well according to my partner, he just translated the encryption straight out of the decompiled actionscript. I believe him on this one, and I also didn't know about any releases sockopen made, and I'm sure he didn't either.

Who is your partner btw, out of interest?

Spoiler

My guess is that it'll be a secret

Edited by Laser Wave, 16 August 2007 - 09:27 AM.

[Hawk]

EDIT:
Well according to my partner, he just translated the encryption straight out of the decompiled actionscript. I believe him on this one, and I also didn't know about any releases sockopen made, and I'm sure he didn't either.

I'm about 95% sure you do know about it, or your partner. Or the person your partner got help from. Somewhere down the line. Your unwillingness to show the source code to an admin shows you have something to hide.

[fixedysys]

unlimitedorb.

Can I see a link to that source?
also, what language is it written in?

edit:
Hawk, or I just don't want to show other people my source code?
Look, I worked hard on this and I don't wanna see this getting stolen or leeched all over the internet.

Edited by fixedysys, 16 August 2007 - 09:29 AM.

[Hawk]

I'm not getting involved in this .

Edited by Hawk, 16 August 2007 - 09:31 AM.

[fixedysys]

Well if it was based on a leeched source code as you say, then that really sucks because I didn't know about it. I want to see the sockopen source code to compare it to the de/encryption my partner contributed to this project, so could anyone please provide me with a link?

I'm not sure what to believe anymore, as I don't know this guy that good either

Edited by fixedysys, 16 August 2007 - 09:33 AM.

[DudeOnline]

unlimitedorb.

Can I see a link to that source?
also, what language is it written in?

edit:
Hawk, or I just don't want to show other people my source code?
Look, I worked hard on this and I don't wanna see this getting stolen or leeched all over the internet.

Because we have such a huge reputations of our mods/admins leaking/stealing programs and source code, right?

Edited by Dudeonline, 16 August 2007 - 09:34 AM.

[Waser Lave]

unlimitedorb.

Can I see a link to that source?
also, what language is it written in?

edit:
Hawk, or I just don't want to show other people my source code?
Look, I worked hard on this and I don't wanna see this getting stolen or leeched all over the internet.

It's been done in vb6, perl and actionscript I think. The perl version is the one which has been released in plenty of places a while ago, I think it might be in Jr Programmer here (i can't be bothered to check ).

The main issue I would have with a php version just hosted on a website would be that all of the logins would have the same IP on all of the accounts, which would lead to them being iced very quickly. And the use of proxies is usually a bad idea too on neopets since they seem to get people iced fairly quickly anyway. That's why I would suggest that an executable would be the best way to go.

Sockopen released his some time in June I think, and I noticed your partner first announced theirs in August.

Edited by Laser Wave, 16 August 2007 - 09:39 AM.

[fixedysys]

I'm just a tad bit paranoid, ok?

I know you guys don't really have a reputation for stealing other peoples stuff, but fact is that I don't know your admins very well. And I have learned that it is never a good idea to trust strangers with past source codes.


edit:
Laser, well that is kind of a relief as it's at least not entirely stolen (IF it is) then. Still I would be pretty pissed.
Anyway, yes I know an executeable version would be better, but I can't really program anything besides PHP. Well, I'm currently learning C++, but not yet good enough to use that. Well, the proxy kind of saves it, but as how you said not entirely. The money is supposed to be transfered away anyway.

Edited by fixedysys, 16 August 2007 - 09:39 AM.

[Hawk]

I'm just a tad bit paranoid, ok?

I know you guys don't really have a reputation for stealing other peoples stuff, but fact is that I don't know your admins very well. And I have learned that it is never a good idea to trust strangers with past source codes.

Or in some cases, to even trust friends. That may be how you have that source right now

[DudeOnline]

I'm just a tad bit paranoid, ok?

I know you guys don't really have a reputation for stealing other peoples stuff, but fact is that I don't know your admins very well. And I have learned that it is never a good idea to trust strangers with past source codes.

rules are rules. Take it or leave it. I have been with this site since 2004. I know every one of the admins here, they are all trustworthy. Obviously, or Hydro wouldnt have made them admins.

[fixedysys]

precisely. Ironicially this whole situation proves my point very well.

But saying he is a friend is a little strong too, he's just somebody who I know, and he motivated me to code something rather big, so I just went ahead and joined it. Because I didn't know about sockopen releasing the source I really didn't have any doubt he made it. Now I do, but let's just go ahead and hope he made it himself.

[Waser Lave]

I'm just a tad bit paranoid, ok?

I know you guys don't really have a reputation for stealing other peoples stuff, but fact is that I don't know your admins very well. And I have learned that it is never a good idea to trust strangers with past source codes.
edit:
Laser, well that is kind of a relief as it's at least not entirely stolen (IF it is) then. Still I would be pretty pissed.
Anyway, yes I know an executeable version would be better, but I can't really program anything besides PHP. Well, I'm currently learning C++, but not yet good enough to use that. Well, the proxy kind of saves it, but as how you said not entirely. The money is supposed to be transfered away anyway.

Well there isn't really any way to check if it's copied if you're so paranoid about even showing the source to admins, and even then it's not a totally reliable way to check since all score senders are going to be very similar. All of our admins and Raui (the original author) are trustworthy, so you don't have to worry about them.

[DudeOnline]

precisely. Ironicially this whole situation proves my point very well.

But saying he is a friend is a little strong too, he's just somebody who I know, and he motivated me to code something rather big, so I just went ahead and joined it. Because I didn't know about sockopen releasing the source I really didn't have any doubt he made it. Now I do, but let's just go ahead and hope he made it himself.

if you are paranoid about the Admins here, you should be more than paranoid about your "coding partner" Did you check his sources against others, how do you know HE wont leak all of it on the internet, or worse, claim that he did it all.

your story isn't adding up.

[masterkruse]

just show the dam source to admins this site is full functionaly trustworthy