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#1 Hawk

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:12 PM

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RICHMOND, Va. -- More than football, Michael Vick's freedom is the question now.

With three associates prepared to testify that he brutally executed dogs and bankrolled gambling, the NFL star agreed Monday to "accept full responsibility" for his role in a dogfighting ring and plead guilty to federal conspiracy charges.

Worries about playing time will have to wait while Vick faces prison time -- from one to five years.

The maximum term is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, although federal sentencing guidelines likely would call for less. Defense attorneys would not divulge details of the plea agreement or how much time Vick can expect to serve.

However, a government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the terms are not final, told The Associated Press that prosecutors will recommend a sentence of a year to 18 months.

The official said such a sentence would be more than what is usually recommended for first-time offenders, reflecting the government's attempt to show that animal abusers will receive more than a slap on the wrist. U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is not bound by prosecutors' recommendations or the sentencing guidelines and will have the final say.

Twenty-five days after he declared that he looked forward to clearing his name, Vick said through defense lawyer Billy Martin that he will plead guilty. A hearing is scheduled for Aug. 27.

"Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his actions and the mistakes he has made," Martin said in a statement. "Michael wishes to apologize again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter."

The NFL noted in a statement that the Atlanta Falcons quarterback's admission wasn't in line with what he told commissioner Roger Goodell shortly after being charged.

"We totally condemn the conduct outlined in the charges, which is inconsistent with what Michael Vick previously told both our office and the Falcons," the NFL said.

The league, which barred Vick from training camp, said it has asked the Falcons to withhold further action while the NFL's own investigation wraps up.

The Falcons said they were "certainly troubled" by news of the plea, but would withhold further comment in compliance with Goodell's request.

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said in a statement:

"We believe the criminal conduct to which Mr. Vick has pled guilty today cannot be condoned under any circumstances. Speaking personally, as I have previously stated, the practice of dog fighting is offensive and completely unacceptable. I can only hope that Mr. Vick, who is young man, will learn from this awful experience."

In a telephone interview with the AP, Martin said Vick is paying a high price for allowing old friends to influence his behavior, but he emphasized that his client takes full responsibility.

"There were some judgment issues in terms of people he was associating with," Martin said. "He realized this is very serious, and he decided to plead so he can begin the healing process."

The lawyer said salvaging Vick's NFL career was never part of the discussions.

"Football is not the most important thing in Michael Vick's life," Martin said. "He wants to get his life back on track."

Another defense attorney, James D. "Butch" Williams Jr., alluded to the harsh public backlash against Vick since the July 17 indictment detailed the abuse of dogs on Vick's property in Surry County, Va.

"Michael is a father, he's a son, he's a human being -- people oftentimes forget that," he said, adding that Vick is "very remorseful."

"Nobody's been rougher on Mike than Mike's been on himself," Williams said.

Animal-rights activists said they hoped the high-profile case would increase public awareness and help bring down other dogfighting rings.

"The only good that can come from this case is that the American people dedicate themselves to the task of rooting out dogfighting in every infected area where it thrives," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States.

The plea deal was announced just as a new grand jury began meeting. Prosecutors had said that a superseding indictment was in the works, but Vick's plea most likely means he will not face new charges on top of the original: conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Three of Vick's original co-defendants already had pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach signed statements saying Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging.

Phillips, Peace and Tony Taylor, who pleaded guilty last month, also said Vick provided virtually all of the gambling and operating funds for his "Bad Newz Kennels" operation in rural Virginia, not far from Vick's hometown of Newport News.

The gambling allegations alone could trigger a lifetime ban under the NFL's personal conduct policy.

Vick's Atlanta attorney, Daniel Meachum, told the AP that Vick is taking a chance with his guilty plea as far as his career is concerned because there have been no discussions with the league in recent days.

"There's no promise or even a request of the league to make a promise," Meachum said.

He said the plea deal involves only the federal case and that he didn't know if there had been any discussions about resolving state charges that may still be filed.

The case began April 25 when investigators conducting a drug search at a massive home Vick built in Surry County found 66 dogs, some of them injured, and items typically used in dogfighting. They included a "rape stand" that holds aggressive dogs in place for mating and a "breakstick" used to pry open a dog's mouth.

Vick contended he knew nothing about a dogfighting operation at the home, where one of his cousins lived, and said he rarely visited. The former Virginia Tech star also blamed friends and family members for taking advantage of his generosity and pledged to be more scrupulous.

The July 17 indictment said dogs that lost fights or fared poorly in test fights were sometimes executed by hanging, electrocution or other brutal means. The grisly details fueled public protests against Vick and cost him some of his lucrative endorsement deals.

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Well, his career is pretty much over now. No team will want to touch him plus, as the article says, the NFL could bar him from the league. I feel no remorse for him, but I feel so bad for the dogs. I think they should hold Vicks head underwater for a while to show what he did to the dogs, maybe hit him a few times with a taser for the electrocuted dogs, and then make him shovel dog shit at the humane society for several years. Sounds fair, its a shame he will only get about a year. dry.gif

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:18 PM

barking asshole deserves a damn long time in prison dry.gif Not a year. Dickhead, killing dogs for no reason...


I mean... using them to make money, then killing them is wrong. Pitbulls I don't like and think they're a waste of life, but you know... still not cool dry.gif

Edited by Pomroy, 20 August 2007 - 07:19 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:19 PM

On ESPN the other day, they went into depth about the dogs that Vick killed, and it was really disturbing. They said there were 2 separate cases where Vick tried to hang dogs, but they survived. He then dunked one underwater, and then hooked it up to electricity. The other, he shot square in the face.

Not only is it so morally wrong to me, its just disturbing. I think there is a point when "good sport" crosses the line, and dog fighting is definitely across the line, especially in this case.

It seems that a lot of people are focusing on Vick in this case, when really they should be focusing on the fact that this proves dog fighting is still a common thing in society. I hope organizations like peta use this as a stepping stone to help stop animal cruelty.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE(KyleBigMac @ Aug 20 2007, 11:49 PM) View Post
On ESPN the other day, they went into depth about the dogs that Vick killed, and it was really disturbing. They said there were 2 separate cases where Vick tried to hang dogs, but they survived. He then dunked one underwater, and then hooked it up to electricity. The other, he shot square in the face.

Not only is it so morally wrong to me, its just disturbing. I think there is a point when "good sport" crosses the line, and dog fighting is definitely across the line, especially in this case.

It seems that a lot of people are focusing on Vick in this case, when really they should be focusing on the fact that this proves dog fighting is still a common thing in society. I hope organizations like peta use this as a stepping stone to help stop animal cruelty.

bark PETA.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(KyleBigMac @ Aug 20 2007, 10:19 PM) View Post
On ESPN the other day, they went into depth about the dogs that Vick killed, and it was really disturbing. They said there were 2 separate cases where Vick tried to hang dogs, but they survived. He then dunked one underwater, and then hooked it up to electricity. The other, he shot square in the face.

Not only is it so morally wrong to me, its just disturbing. I think there is a point when "good sport" crosses the line, and dog fighting is definitely across the line, especially in this case.

It seems that a lot of people are focusing on Vick in this case, when really they should be focusing on the fact that this proves dog fighting is still a common thing in society. I hope organizations like peta use this as a stepping stone to help stop animal cruelty.

I agree with all of that.

Dogfighting is way past the line. I wish the punishment was more severe.

QUOTE(Pomroy @ Aug 20 2007, 10:20 PM) View Post
bark PETA.

Normally I really dislike PETA, but I completely support them on the dogfighting issue.

#6 DudeOnline

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:27 PM

the SPCAs and the Humane society in texas are encouraging alternative dog sports, such as weight pulling, and weighted wagon races, to provide alternatives for dog fighting.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:28 PM

QUOTE(Dudeonline @ Aug 20 2007, 09:27 PM) View Post
the SPCAs and the Humane society in texas are encouraging alternative dog sports, such as weight pulling, and weighted wagon races, to provide alternatives for dog fighting.

Or make them run down a dock and jump into water to fetch something. They seem to love that blink.gif Its two/three things they love doing... Running, chasing something, swimming. blink.gif And its competitive, I've seen it on ESPN or VS or something like that before.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE(Dudeonline @ Aug 20 2007, 10:27 PM) View Post
the SPCAs and the Humane society in texas are encouraging alternative dog sports, such as weight pulling, and weighted wagon races, to provide alternatives for dog fighting.

I don't think people want to see dogs perform, I think they just like violence to things that cannot speak out for themselves.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:34 PM

QUOTE(KyleBigMac @ Aug 20 2007, 08:30 PM) View Post
I don't think people want to see dogs perform, I think they just like violence to things that cannot speak out for themselves.



I just think that dog fighters, child molesters, and gang members should all be handed an AK-47, put into a big-ass arena, and have a battle royale type thing. drag the bodies out, rinse, repeat, problem solved.

Edited by Dudeonline, 20 August 2007 - 07:34 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:36 PM

God this is just so disgusting. Only one year in jail for this?! One year doesn't bring justice to the dogs he has killed and hurt.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE(ßlack ƒlame @ Aug 20 2007, 10:36 PM) View Post
God this is just so disgusting. Only one year in jail for this?! One year doesn't bring justice to the dogs he has killed and hurt.

I've seen anywhere from a year to three years. I'm not sure if/when the punishment is going to be dealt.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE(ßlack ƒlame @ Aug 20 2007, 10:36 PM) View Post
God this is just so disgusting. Only one year in jail for this?! One year doesn't bring justice to the dogs he has killed and hurt.

The justice system doesn't consider it as bad as killing humans, which is true to an extent. But killing dogs in mass, should be close to as bad as killing a human, not 1/100th as bad. At least humans somewhat have the logic to defend themselves or escape.


No, I'm not kissing PETA ass and saying animals are better than humans. Don't read it that way.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Hawk @ Aug 20 2007, 08:37 PM) View Post
I've seen anywhere from a year to three years. I'm not sure if/when the punishment is going to be dealt.



He better thank god one wasnt a K-9 unit, or he would have been chargeed with killing a police officer smile.gif

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Hawk @ Aug 20 2007, 11:28 PM) View Post
Or make them run down a dock and jump into water to fetch something. They seem to love that blink.gif Its two/three things they love doing... Running, chasing something, swimming. blink.gif And its competitive, I've seen it on ESPN or VS or something like that before.

Those dogs can jump pretty damn far laugh.gif

It's good to see that Vick has pleaded guilty. Unfortunately, what is done can't be undone, but it brings awareness to the issue.

Also, PETA is INSANE.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE(Dudeonline @ Aug 20 2007, 10:39 PM) View Post
He better thank god one wasnt a K-9 unit, or he would have been chargeed with killing a police officer smile.gif

A K9 Unit won't fight to the death inside a little ring. Plus, how would they get the K9?

Brandon- I know those dogs can jump far, I've watched it before, lol.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:50 PM

QUOTE(Hawk @ Aug 20 2007, 11:46 PM) View Post
A K9 Unit won't fight to the death inside a little ring. Plus, how would they get the K9?

Brandon- I know those dogs can jump far, I've watched it before, lol.

Its' spiffy aint it?

It's very possible that he could have a K9, Brittany Spears had two for home protection. Also, I'm pretty sure they'd fight it out if attacked.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 09:09 PM

I hope that son of a bitch rots. Same goes to anyone who does such a thing. I mean dogs really are like two or three year olds. It's like sending children that age to fight to the death... it's absolutely disgusting. It's a shame too because many of those dogs could be perfectly good pets but they teach them cruelty and torture :\ Pit bulls have a horrible reputation because of them when in reality they're perfectly nice dogs if you treat them right. It's so sad *sigh*

Anyways to those who say that PETA is crazy I agree, but there are some things they do is right. I however choose to support the ASPCA and not PETA as I believe they are a better organization.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 09:17 PM

lol what barking retards honestly.
The guy probably makes millions of dollars as a pro football player and he decides to risk it all?
He deserves worse.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 12:09 AM

It's good he's getting punished for what he did, seriously, all that animal fighting crap is so barking inhumane. I don't see what he would have done besides plead guilty though, everyone knew he did it. I wish I cared more about him other than that, but I know nothing of him as a player, he's just a twisted dude.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 12:47 AM

shame, was hoping he'd get 20 years.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 01:11 AM

You know, the pissants all behind action against him (read: PETA) are barkin' hypocrites in their own rights. For one, they endorse people who've firebombed research labs (with animals and people in it) in the name of animal cruelty. Another, they own slaughterhouses. Most people look at this case and think "Oh poor dog HE DESERVES TO DIE" and place their emotions in the wrong place. Honestly, I think it's not that big of a deal. He should get FINED if anything or get a hefty duty of community, not sentenced to 18 months.

And before anyone wants to say I'm a big animal hater or whatever, take this into consideration: My dog from the pound is a dog that was beaten and chewed out by its old owner. I think its brutal what happened, but I don't dig the idea of a lotta jail time for animals. For Vick, I say a year if we have to give him a year at least, and a hefty fine.

Edited by Athean, 21 August 2007 - 01:19 AM.


#22 Crayon

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 01:22 AM

While hes at it make him eat the shit.

Edited by Crayon, 21 August 2007 - 01:22 AM.



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