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#1 redlion

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 11:27 PM

I was just outside in a sweatshirt and jeans, and I was cold as tits. I honestly can't see us as a truly global species yet.

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#2 Mr. Hobo

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 03:53 AM

Cold as tits? Weird simile tongue.gif

Biggest thing I don't like about us is our short lifespan. People don't think long-term enough and I blame it on us living 70ish years (if we're lucky). We gotta stick some turtle or parrot dna in our own.

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 04:43 AM

QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Nov 10 2008, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cold as tits? Weird simile tongue.gif

Biggest thing I don't like about us is our short lifespan. People don't think long-term enough and I blame it on us living 70ish years (if we're lucky). We gotta stick some turtle or parrot dna in our own.

True enough. Although I fear what genetic alterations will lead to. I had a talk with a friend, and basically I came to the conclusion that the japanese pop-culture view that the future involves serious human augmentation is not that far from reality.

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 07:27 AM

70-80 years isn't too bad considering what most other animals get for a lifetime. tongue.gif

And we did survive the last ice age so we can't be that weak, we've probably just grown accustomed to being out of the cold since we've lived separate from nature for hundreds of years now. 1we8.gif

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 07:43 AM

Don't count us out yet! We're still a very new species in terms of the history of the earth. We also haven't reached our carrying capacity yet, which could be anywhere between 9 billion and 50 billion.

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:10 AM

QUOTE (redlion @ Nov 10 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just outside in a sweatshirt and jeans, and I was cold as tits. I honestly can't see us as a truly global species yet.

Discuss humans.

Depends on where you were living prior aye? I'd probably be fine with a long shirt and jeans where you are right now tongue.gif

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE (hungryhippo @ Nov 10 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't count us out yet! We're still a very new species in terms of the history of the earth. We also haven't reached our carrying capacity yet, which could be anywhere between 9 billion and 50 billion.


Global warming would significantly reduce our carrying capacity though, you only need to look at the situation in China to see that. 1we8.gif They've got a water crisis and huge amounts of farmland being encroached upon by the Gobi Desert, in time they're going to struggle to feed their people. There's no way the Earth could support anywhere near 50 billion people...some people even think we've already got too many people.

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#8 hungryhippo

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:34 AM

I'm just quoting my conservation ecology textbook on the 50 billion being the highest estimate out there; not saying I agree with it

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:57 AM

QUOTE (hungryhippo @ Nov 10 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm just quoting my conservation ecology textbook on the 50 billion being the highest estimate out there; not saying I agree with it


Are you serious? I always thought humans had reached their natural carrying capacity by far! Maybe it means the carrying capacity of humans with all the technology/ no predators or balance with the earth?

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE (BobtheBuilder @ Nov 10 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you serious? I always thought humans had reached their natural carrying capacity by far! Maybe it means the carrying capacity of humans with all the technology/ no predators or balance with the earth?

I've heard estimates for carrying capacity that are far higher than 50 billion. No one knows, because we've never done it before. No species has so globally dominated the earth, in such a way that resources are entirely devoted to them. Of course, they're only resources to us because they have a use; oil has no use to monkeys or grasshoppers. Whereas, things like land and water and arable land are universal resources that even insects are affected by.

I'm really unsure as to how much humans should be allowed to expand on one planet. Testing carrying capacity in real life is not a good idea. I'd like to avoid plagues, food shortages, water rationing, and of course all the political ramifications of all of that.

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 10:48 AM

Psssh all you got to do is wear clothes smartly and get used to the weather is all. People in Florida think 60 degrees is cold. It's all what you're used to and it just snowed on the east coast so of course it's chilly compared to last week when it was beautiful weather tongue.gif

#12 hungryhippo

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 10:50 AM

QUOTE (redlion @ Nov 10 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've heard estimates for carrying capacity that are far higher than 50 billion. No one knows, because we've never done it before. No species has so globally dominated the earth, in such a way that resources are entirely devoted to them. Of course, they're only resources to us because they have a use; oil has no use to monkeys or grasshoppers. Whereas, things like land and water and arable land are universal resources that even insects are affected by.

I'm really unsure as to how much humans should be allowed to expand on one planet. Testing carrying capacity in real life is not a good idea. I'd like to avoid plagues, food shortages, water rationing, and of course all the political ramifications of all of that.


Yea, most estimates put it at around 9 billion being the capacity we could theoretically maintain while also maintaining a reasonable standard of living. Obviously if we did make it to 50+ billion then whoever was alive would not have a life anywhere near like what we currently enjoy, even in the worst parts of the world

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 12:53 PM

Ehh, I'm used to it. Today was amazingly cold here as well, but living in Midwest for 17 years has made me largely unaffected by it. I just need a good enough long sleeve shirt and/or coat, a pair of jeans, and possibly gloves and I'll be fine through all of fall/winter . tongue.gif
QUOTE (Tetiel @ Nov 10 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People in Florida think 60 degrees is cold.

Oh that's always annoyed me. It's understandable of course, but still annoying to me. They have no clue what cold really is until they get to the upper Midwest or further. tongue.gif

#14 Mr. Hobo

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 12:57 PM

Haha to me 60f is warm, -4 f is cold tongue.gif

What do you guys think is cold?

#15 hungryhippo

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 12:59 PM

I grew up in AZ, so anything below like 75 is cold to me

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 01:29 PM

Lol.

It was 65 here.

Everyone wore coats today biggrin.gif

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 01:48 PM

QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Nov 10 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cold as tits? Weird simile tongue.gif

Biggest thing I don't like about us is our short lifespan. People don't think long-term enough and I blame it on us living 70ish years (if we're lucky). We gotta stick some turtle or parrot dna in our own.

I didn't realize parrots were particularly amazing.. how long do they live?



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Posted 10 November 2008 - 01:54 PM

macaws and some other species of parrot lives 80++ years

#19 Tetiel

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (nox @ Nov 10 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
macaws and some other species of parrot lives 80++ years

Most live like... 50 years, though, right?

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:32 PM

It's too hot for me if it's over 40. I didn't grow up in any particuarly cold/warm places, I'm just a freak.

Anyway, I'd like to become one of the genetic engineers that makes cyborgs an everyday sight.


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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Valkyrja @ Nov 10 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's too hot for me if it's over 40. I didn't grow up in any particuarly cold/warm places, I'm just a freak.

Anyway, I'd like to become one of the genetic engineers that makes cyborgs an everyday sight.

Wouldn't cyborgs more require regular engineers than genetic ones?

#22 Valkyrja

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:35 PM

Umm I'm sure it'd take both, some engineer majoring in biology in the least though
You have to make it so your willpower can operate your nerves which can operate the machinery. It's been done already but not on a large scale.


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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Valkyrja @ Nov 10 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Umm I'm sure it'd take both, some engineer majoring in biology in the least though
You have to make it so your willpower can operate your nerves which can operate the machinery. It's been done already but not on a large scale.

I don't think any genetic engineering is required for that tongue.gif

#24 Valkyrja

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:39 PM

If you wanna give birth to them with their metal parts it is xP


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Posted 10 November 2008 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Valkyrja @ Nov 10 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you wanna give birth to them with their metal parts it is xP

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