86 replies to this topic

[Eliam]

Can people still restart Abrosia over and over to get the shop they want?

No.

[Oaken]

No.

Good.

I think there are too many people using Abrosia whilst contributing nothing but prices to the database. While that might be useful, we have enough members who DO contribute in more ways to do that.

There should be, in my opinion, a minimum post count in order to use Abrosia. Even making a damn intro topic as a requirement would be nice.

[ShadowLink64]

Oh relax, people will have more programs to choose from soon.

Why would I even do this when we plan to release an auction sniper and eventually a USAB to spread out the usage a bit? Don't act like MSABing is the only way to make NP.

[Oaken]

Why would I even do this when we plan to release an auction sniper and eventually a USAB to spread out the usage a bit? Don't act like MSABing is the only way to make NP.

Using proxies allows you to use all of the programs at the same time though. So usage may not be thinned very much .

Some people aren't all that bothered about the competition from lots of people using Abrosia....it's more the fact people can register and use a quality program like Abrosia without even posting.

Personally I am one of those people. Obviously yourself and the other programmers can do as you please with your programs .....it's just a little annoying that the leechers get the same benefits as someone who has anywhere up to 499 posts and can't pay the $3 for advanced.

[ShadowLink64]

I also notice how many people are selling NP in the Trading Post, versus their usage logs for Abrosia and I can tell you that from also talking to people, they're still making lots of NP with the program.

Using proxies allows you to use all of the programs at the same time though. So usage may not be thinned very much .

I can put a stop to that actually. People shouldn't be running multiple copies of the program, or multiple programs at once. They're just putting their account at risk, as the programs are battling for cookies constantly.

Some people aren't all that bothered about the competition from lots of people using Abrosia....it's more the fact people can register and use a quality program like Abrosia without even posting.

Personally I am one of those people. Obviously yourself and the other programmers can do as you please with your programs .....it's just a little annoying that the leechers get the same benefits as someone who has anywhere up to 499 posts and can't pay the $3 for advanced.

That's really what our goal has been the whole time though. Programs accessible to everyone.


Also, like Laser said, I'm sure that Abrosia users only make up a fraction of the total users autobuying in the main shops, so I doubt that more restriction would be effective in making the program work way for users (maybe a slight improvement at most). I'm more willing to improve our system a bit to compensate for it before denying people access outright.

[Georgina]

To be honest im somewhere inbetween...

We're getting close to 100 people ab'ing the other day and even at the slowest times of day its around 60. Im still getting items to be honest but im missing loads, and used to often get more or the same without being advanced a few months back.

Now...Great more people = more pricing and more activiity, but does it?

Do the mods actuly know the % of people with 0 posts on here?

Obviously I cant tell if im loosing the items im missing to other abrosia user, other AB'ers off other sites or just lucky legit RS'ers but the as more people have been abing on here, I have seen a lower sucsess rate.

Im still making a profit at the end of the day which is amazing and i cant thank the programmers and mods enough on this site for doing such an amazing job and also for being just genuinly nice guys.

But yeh - the 0 posters buying my items kinda annoy me.

[Icey Defeat]

Honestly I'm happy to hear codex is trying to give more programs to more people. As apposed to a few programs to a select few people like it was at one point. I feel it can do nothing but benefit the site in the long run.

[Waser Lave]

Rather than cutting off access completely the more sensible thing would be to perhaps slow down their buying a bit whether that's by only allowing one buy per restock, restricting the shops which they can go in or adding maybe a second or two to their buying process so other people have more of a chance to get stuff.

[Eliam]

This is definitely going to be an ongoing and evolving process any way we slice it.

[unworthy]

I don't really know where I stand on the whole 100 posts or you cannot use the program but maybe something along the lines of basic ABrosia<100 posts, med ABrosia100<250, then normal 250<500, then advanced with 500+ or payed. Now I do not know how I would go about hindering the program in order to make basic and med abrosia but it is a tought if you guys are so passionate about doing this.

Maybe on basic make the delay after purchase like 20 seconds and for medium like 10 seconds instead of the usual 5.

Or you could just double the haggle delay on the basics.

more or less what waser lave had for an idea

Edited by unworthy, 24 December 2009 - 04:38 PM.

[Atmosphere]

It should be kept the way it is. Personally I think even getting to 100 posts
is a damn struggle without having posts that are "spam".

Not everyone interested in using Abrosia have the time to chat on the forums
to try and reach a certain amount of posts to use it. Hence why people use Abrosia
cause they're impatient and lazy. And honestly I don't see a lot of members with
posts over 500. That's fair use for those that are advance members.

I've seen some members that have posted and have been members since 04 with
less than 100 or 200 posts. Which is weird, but just means they don't have the time. .

But there should atleast be a requirement of making an introduction board
and signing up to the forums to make Abrosia usable.

[Sweeney]

Oh please, stop whining.
If you're not getting items, it's because your settings and/or connection is shit.

I score 9/10 items, and I'm using an augmented manual buyer.

[Atmosphere]

Oh please, stop whining.
If you're not getting items, it's because your settings and/or connection is shit.

I score 9/10 items, and I'm using an augmented manual buyer.

Thank YOU! Someone give this dude a medal.
Exactly, you are NOT going to get all your items.
Isn't that why you started using Abrosia? Cause you couldn't do it yourself anyhow. .
and it's probably doing better than you. So stop whining.
Everyone has equal chance on this if you don't like it gtfo.

[Kway]

I say keep Abrosia the way it is.

The only change to the system I will agree with if there is going to be one is a minimum of 5 posts to start the program. You can still open the program (to get a first-hand look at what is possible) but you can't start it without 5 posts. I can make 5 posts in a few minutes so it wouldn't be asking for too much. Even asking questions about the program(s) count as posts.

I vote no.

I have joined Neocodex before Abrosia, made np before Abrosia, and I will live if Abrosia can only be used by Advanced Members and only Advanced Members. If there is anybody I disagree with on this thread, it would be all the selfish members (excluding the high and mighty members that made Neocodex possible) trying to reduce competition through taking away advantages (including the use of Abrosia).

[Devilfish]

I have to say I like the way it works now. Some people just don't like being active on forums that much. I barely have time to play games as it is. I'm in college all day and I study and run a household in between. I just don't have the time to hang around forums that much. I know the many, many arguments against that (including the 'tough beans' one), but since you ask opinions, this is mine.

I've only just started posting here and I have no idea what this forum's culture and ettiquete is like, but I personally joined here because this is about the only place that makes an effort to make their programs accesible to people like me, who aren't forumites/social creatures by nature. In case you hadn't noticed, the Neopets community hoards programs like it's freaking gold. Other than the Sims community, I have't seen any game community get so possesive of their shinies.

So, in short, why don't we all 'suffer' a tiny little bit and don't become one of those 'insiders only' type of communities?

[cowsgraze]

I hope someone already posted this (I admit, I didn't read it all)...
but there is already a restriction on Abrosia where you can't use the database (and select shop) without being advanced, and your refresh time can't be under eight seconds.

Now, I vote 'no'... mainly because of that, why add more restrictions? But also, doesn't that defeat the idea of free programs??
I do, however, support a system where you have to post every so often (month, week, day) or it boots you off... that way people can't download it and be set for life. Also, that way someone can't become advanced, never post on the forum ever again, and have a nice ABer

I have full access to a nice ABer from another site, so I like to think my post is not biased.

[peter25]

Can you choose the shop you want to autobuy in a newbie account




I am using a newbie account 

[Kway]

Can you choose the shop you want to autobuy in a newbie account

I am using a newbie account

You can still use a manual restock list. Just copy the items one by one from the database.

[crazycga]

I voted "no", because I have given back to this community - by paying for my program.

If you restrict it to merely post-counts, then you would lose my business. Personally, I might even be willing to pay a little more for the program.

[jonnykun]

500 is a great number . you get the main functionality for free, thats good enough sampler. 500 posts makes it worth something , instead of just free program. i'm willing to hang around a bit to get there, so i think its a good idea .

[iargue]

He is proposing that you do not let members with less than 100 posts use Abrosia at all.

Thats also never going to happen. ALL neocodex programs are free.

[Atmosphere]

Thats also never going to happen. ALL neocodex programs are free.

Agreed. I went to dartZtar.com to check their programs, but it's based
on "rep + posts" and all that shit. And you've got thousand of people "trying" be helpful
and chatting all over the place for these programs. It's bullshit.

I personally like this site better over dZ even if we have less people with less programs.
It's simple to use as are the programs and decent people.

[jonnykun]

yeah darkztar...i tried their "premium" for 10 days. most of their programs are poorly made, and confusing to use! this site has some really nice people too. how come there's no rep system here though? even if its not used for anything, should still be fun to thank people i guess..

[Waser Lave]

yeah darkztar...i tried their "premium" for 10 days. most of their programs are poorly made, and confusing to use! this site has some really nice people too. how come there's no rep system here though? even if its not used for anything, should still be fun to thank people i guess..

You can give people +rep by clicking the in the bottom right corner of their post.

[jonnykun]

OH i never noticed that! thanks a lot